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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/adventure/2012/01/new-zealand-and-other-travel-locales-that-will-break-the-bank/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to say that Kiwis are a nice bunch on the whole but they are being exploited by their industries and no Government is forced to represent them. The defensive attitude (inferiority complex..?) fosters an inability to listen to differing views. This may be typical of a relatively young country striving for self-identity.

The high prices for basic living standards is pretty obvious. (NZ lamb is cheaper in Europe than Auckland - impossible to explain away that point on the basis of the importing costs). There could be an economy of scale issue but it&#039;s hard to see the justification. 

The problems is totally caused by a lack of competition on the island, in other words, monopoly and price fixing. There is also a dire lack of choices and variety in almost every aspect of life - except the outdoors activities. And modern Kiwis are victim to this all their lives. For example, their is a daily charge for gas and electricity - prior to any usage charged. Maybe Kiwis don&#039;t know this is not the norm internationally? And organic food is barely present in the supermarkets. At the moment courgettes are just dropping in price from a high of $19/Kg in the winter to $5/kg. In Europe we import food too - you can&#039;t grow mangos in Scotland. 

Not wanting to cause offence but is scenery really enough in life? If NZ wasn&#039;t somewhat energised by the Asian community and other immigrants if would be very dull indeed. My advice to any travellers: watch the Lord of the Rings and then buy a ticket to Sydney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to say that Kiwis are a nice bunch on the whole but they are being exploited by their industries and no Government is forced to represent them. The defensive attitude (inferiority complex..?) fosters an inability to listen to differing views. This may be typical of a relatively young country striving for self-identity.</p>
<p>The high prices for basic living standards is pretty obvious. (NZ lamb is cheaper in Europe than Auckland &#8211; impossible to explain away that point on the basis of the importing costs). There could be an economy of scale issue but it&#8217;s hard to see the justification. </p>
<p>The problems is totally caused by a lack of competition on the island, in other words, monopoly and price fixing. There is also a dire lack of choices and variety in almost every aspect of life &#8211; except the outdoors activities. And modern Kiwis are victim to this all their lives. For example, their is a daily charge for gas and electricity &#8211; prior to any usage charged. Maybe Kiwis don&#8217;t know this is not the norm internationally? And organic food is barely present in the supermarkets. At the moment courgettes are just dropping in price from a high of $19/Kg in the winter to $5/kg. In Europe we import food too &#8211; you can&#8217;t grow mangos in Scotland. </p>
<p>Not wanting to cause offence but is scenery really enough in life? If NZ wasn&#8217;t somewhat energised by the Asian community and other immigrants if would be very dull indeed. My advice to any travellers: watch the Lord of the Rings and then buy a ticket to Sydney.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been coming to New Zealand for 9 years ,8 in Auckland and staying 3-5 and 6 months every year as i have a very close kiwi pal here, I have a son of 17 yrs old who also accompanies me on the trips, we have found it to be very expensive every year for essentials, food shopping, eating out and drinking, buy clothes, we go to the cheapest shops we can and markets but still no where near as cheap as the Uk, I dont convert back into uk sterling, I know how much my pals here earn and they just about get by. Lovely country and lovely people but i have no idea how anyone survives here. I dont earn a great wage in the Uk, im self employed but i can always come here every year , i dont think i could visit the uk from here every year , i just wouldnt be able to save anything, My kiwi pals always complain how expensive it is here and that once your here you dont really have the money to do alot except keep the roof over your head and food on the table, bills etc, i think the rest of the outdoor stuff is for tourists as i know around 20 or more kiwi pals here who tell me they could never afford to do those things. Elizabeth.september 14th 2012</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been coming to New Zealand for 9 years ,8 in Auckland and staying 3-5 and 6 months every year as i have a very close kiwi pal here, I have a son of 17 yrs old who also accompanies me on the trips, we have found it to be very expensive every year for essentials, food shopping, eating out and drinking, buy clothes, we go to the cheapest shops we can and markets but still no where near as cheap as the Uk, I dont convert back into uk sterling, I know how much my pals here earn and they just about get by. Lovely country and lovely people but i have no idea how anyone survives here. I dont earn a great wage in the Uk, im self employed but i can always come here every year , i dont think i could visit the uk from here every year , i just wouldnt be able to save anything, My kiwi pals always complain how expensive it is here and that once your here you dont really have the money to do alot except keep the roof over your head and food on the table, bills etc, i think the rest of the outdoor stuff is for tourists as i know around 20 or more kiwi pals here who tell me they could never afford to do those things. Elizabeth.september 14th 2012</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Te Anau, although I havent lived in New Zealand for over 10 years now. I would love to go back (have a house not an apartment, see more grass and less concrete) but one of the reasons I don&#039;t feel as though financially I can yet is the outrageous price of living... Last time I went to Te Anau and stopped in at the supermarket I spent $60 on literally a handful of things. When I was in Australia that would have paid for a weeks shopping (when shopping from the markets) and where I am in Europe now it would pay for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Te Anau, although I havent lived in New Zealand for over 10 years now. I would love to go back (have a house not an apartment, see more grass and less concrete) but one of the reasons I don&#8217;t feel as though financially I can yet is the outrageous price of living&#8230; Last time I went to Te Anau and stopped in at the supermarket I spent $60 on literally a handful of things. When I was in Australia that would have paid for a weeks shopping (when shopping from the markets) and where I am in Europe now it would pay for more.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is long said if you dont want to spend the money don&#039;t go, I am an Ex-pat living in NZ and yes basic living is expensive and wages are amongst the lowest I have ever had in the world. On the up side you can still get a job here and pay your rent, unlike now most of EU contries, and onther one for you is the country is not sinking into dispare like other major countries in the world, this is probably why prices are a little higher than you would normaly see, the economy does look after itself to an extent, I do miss getting bargains like $0.50 for a tin of beans and buying clothes without breaking the bank but hey remember the reasons why you came as a tourist or immigrant in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is long said if you dont want to spend the money don&#8217;t go, I am an Ex-pat living in NZ and yes basic living is expensive and wages are amongst the lowest I have ever had in the world. On the up side you can still get a job here and pay your rent, unlike now most of EU contries, and onther one for you is the country is not sinking into dispare like other major countries in the world, this is probably why prices are a little higher than you would normaly see, the economy does look after itself to an extent, I do miss getting bargains like $0.50 for a tin of beans and buying clothes without breaking the bank but hey remember the reasons why you came as a tourist or immigrant in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 00:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed a brand of granola in the store last week featuring &quot;LUXURY NUTS&quot;!

In terms of the &quot;expensive&quot; health costs in the U.S., though I admit the system needs improving, read this - http://allnurses.com/australian-nz-nurses/thoughts-us-nurses-490651.html

You get what you pay for. So yes, Mr Adams&#039; family may well be spending less. They are also getting less. If you actually become sick, then you may want a higher standard of care, just like you may not want to buy your shoes from Walmart. Although healthy my whole life, I recently became ill through no &quot;unhealthy lifestyle&quot; fault of my own, but rather stress and genetics. I gratefully, finally underwent a procedure in a hospital after months of slow internal bleeding (you wait on queues here unless the situation is acute, and even then the care is more indifferent than in the U.S., unless you have private insurance, in which case it will be marginally better and somewhat faster) and noted dried blood all over the equipment cart carrying the blood sample tubes/syringes and holders apparatus. I lucked out and did not, as far as I know, catch any bugs there. But I would prefer a higher standard of care, and I am prepared to pay for it.

We are anxious to return home to the U.S. where we have a greater range of lifestyles available to us, not just the lovely landscapes + crippling costs formula of New Zealand. Here there is one lifestyle, and not only is it imposed on you by necessity, but there is also the most obnoxious sort of social pressure not to point out the downsides of this country, as if it simply cannot bear hearing anything bad about itself.

Whenever I notice someone telling it like it is, therefore, I am thankful that others who come after us will be better informed than we were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed a brand of granola in the store last week featuring &#8220;LUXURY NUTS&#8221;!</p>
<p>In terms of the &#8220;expensive&#8221; health costs in the U.S., though I admit the system needs improving, read this &#8211; <a href="http://allnurses.com/australian-nz-nurses/thoughts-us-nurses-490651.html" rel="nofollow">http://allnurses.com/australian-nz-nurses/thoughts-us-nurses-490651.html</a></p>
<p>You get what you pay for. So yes, Mr Adams&#8217; family may well be spending less. They are also getting less. If you actually become sick, then you may want a higher standard of care, just like you may not want to buy your shoes from Walmart. Although healthy my whole life, I recently became ill through no &#8220;unhealthy lifestyle&#8221; fault of my own, but rather stress and genetics. I gratefully, finally underwent a procedure in a hospital after months of slow internal bleeding (you wait on queues here unless the situation is acute, and even then the care is more indifferent than in the U.S., unless you have private insurance, in which case it will be marginally better and somewhat faster) and noted dried blood all over the equipment cart carrying the blood sample tubes/syringes and holders apparatus. I lucked out and did not, as far as I know, catch any bugs there. But I would prefer a higher standard of care, and I am prepared to pay for it.</p>
<p>We are anxious to return home to the U.S. where we have a greater range of lifestyles available to us, not just the lovely landscapes + crippling costs formula of New Zealand. Here there is one lifestyle, and not only is it imposed on you by necessity, but there is also the most obnoxious sort of social pressure not to point out the downsides of this country, as if it simply cannot bear hearing anything bad about itself.</p>
<p>Whenever I notice someone telling it like it is, therefore, I am thankful that others who come after us will be better informed than we were.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I agree strongly with comment #11 by Denise. I&#039;ve never seen prices like yours and I&#039;ve lived here my whole life, and I&#039;m sad to hear that people ripped you off.

The picture of the bowl of fruit at the top, the price would have been marked up because of how it was &quot;pre mixed&quot; and the cheeries and plums would have pushed the cost up, both of which are considered premium fruit here. I agree with you though, I wouldn&#039;t pay that much for that fruit.

&quot;..our eyes bugged out at a roadside fruit stand where we found fresh apricots going for the equivalent of $14 per pound.&quot;

Depending on the time of year, I buy my apricots from the supermarket for between $4.5-8 NZD per kg ($1.8-3.2 USD per lb)


&quot;... I spent $15 on nine apples and a scraping of dried figs from the bulk section in a supermarket in Te Anau.&quot;

Te Anau is considered &quot;out of the way&quot; and therefore has higher transport costs. However that being said, depending on the time of year I get my pre-bagged apples for around $2-3 NZD per kg ($0.7-1.2 USD per lb). Figs are a luxury item here (most New Zealanders will have never tasted one), and so they will probably account for a chunk of the difference. The other important thing to remember is that you are buying apples out of season, so any you are buying now are either more expensive imported fruit, or ones that have been kept in cool storage incurring the costs associated for the last 8-10 months (apple season is generally around March-May here)

&quot;...Garlic, which can run the equivalent of $10 or $12 per pound.&quot;

This is around about right for the prices. But garlic is light and you don&#039;t need much for the taste. A pound of garlic would last months.

&quot;And that oldest, most vulgar staple of the peasant, the onion, can run about $2 apiece.&quot;

Again, depending on the time of year I get my onions for around $2 NZD per kg ($0.7 USD per lb).

None of these prices require local knowledge to find. I just get my fruit from which ever supermarket I happen to feel like going to at the time.

P.S. I&#039;m not having a go at you. Your blog is great, I just wanted to share my experience of the same products as you from the view point of someone living in New Zealand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I agree strongly with comment #11 by Denise. I&#8217;ve never seen prices like yours and I&#8217;ve lived here my whole life, and I&#8217;m sad to hear that people ripped you off.</p>
<p>The picture of the bowl of fruit at the top, the price would have been marked up because of how it was &#8220;pre mixed&#8221; and the cheeries and plums would have pushed the cost up, both of which are considered premium fruit here. I agree with you though, I wouldn&#8217;t pay that much for that fruit.</p>
<p>&#8220;..our eyes bugged out at a roadside fruit stand where we found fresh apricots going for the equivalent of $14 per pound.&#8221;</p>
<p>Depending on the time of year, I buy my apricots from the supermarket for between $4.5-8 NZD per kg ($1.8-3.2 USD per lb)</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; I spent $15 on nine apples and a scraping of dried figs from the bulk section in a supermarket in Te Anau.&#8221;</p>
<p>Te Anau is considered &#8220;out of the way&#8221; and therefore has higher transport costs. However that being said, depending on the time of year I get my pre-bagged apples for around $2-3 NZD per kg ($0.7-1.2 USD per lb). Figs are a luxury item here (most New Zealanders will have never tasted one), and so they will probably account for a chunk of the difference. The other important thing to remember is that you are buying apples out of season, so any you are buying now are either more expensive imported fruit, or ones that have been kept in cool storage incurring the costs associated for the last 8-10 months (apple season is generally around March-May here)</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Garlic, which can run the equivalent of $10 or $12 per pound.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is around about right for the prices. But garlic is light and you don&#8217;t need much for the taste. A pound of garlic would last months.</p>
<p>&#8220;And that oldest, most vulgar staple of the peasant, the onion, can run about $2 apiece.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, depending on the time of year I get my onions for around $2 NZD per kg ($0.7 USD per lb).</p>
<p>None of these prices require local knowledge to find. I just get my fruit from which ever supermarket I happen to feel like going to at the time.</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;m not having a go at you. Your blog is great, I just wanted to share my experience of the same products as you from the view point of someone living in New Zealand.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwi Colorado (Chris Adams)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiwi Colorado (Chris Adams)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am saddened by Trevor&#039;s experience of moving to New Zealand. It sounds like you had some personal experiences which were disappointing and not necessarily reflective of the entire country. As a Kiwi - American family we know both countries extremely well. Both offer many positives - and both have challenges. To highlight dental care costs in NZ is to miss the broader point that US health care costs are crippling - both to the individual, companies and the country. As a (touch wood) healthy family are spending literally thousands of dollars less a year in NZ than we did in the US on insurance and health costs. Just a word of warning - best of luck mate and we hope you stay connected in some way to NZ. Haere ra - travel well. 

PS: one final point on the debate on NZ prices. You CANNOT directly compare prices here to the US. First, the $NZD is worth less (around 25% at today&#039;s rates, longer term 40% less). Prices in NZ also include all taxes and tipping is not usual. In the US - both taxes and tips need to be added to published prices - which on items like restaurant meals can make a significant difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am saddened by Trevor&#8217;s experience of moving to New Zealand. It sounds like you had some personal experiences which were disappointing and not necessarily reflective of the entire country. As a Kiwi &#8211; American family we know both countries extremely well. Both offer many positives &#8211; and both have challenges. To highlight dental care costs in NZ is to miss the broader point that US health care costs are crippling &#8211; both to the individual, companies and the country. As a (touch wood) healthy family are spending literally thousands of dollars less a year in NZ than we did in the US on insurance and health costs. Just a word of warning &#8211; best of luck mate and we hope you stay connected in some way to NZ. Haere ra &#8211; travel well. </p>
<p>PS: one final point on the debate on NZ prices. You CANNOT directly compare prices here to the US. First, the $NZD is worth less (around 25% at today&#8217;s rates, longer term 40% less). Prices in NZ also include all taxes and tipping is not usual. In the US &#8211; both taxes and tips need to be added to published prices &#8211; which on items like restaurant meals can make a significant difference.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Alistair, 
You&#039;ve brought light to a topic that&#039;s been on the rise over the past few years (or more) and I have no idea why several of the prior posts are so defensive about such an internationally known fact.
Our cost of living/wage ratio is well out of balance making simple healthy eating a luxury. Understandably we are an island nation and do have to import a significant portion of our our consumed product, which naturally is subject to the laws of business markup based upon the trading of the NZD. However when your 2 person, weekly vegetarian grocery bill with no milk/fish/chicken/sweets and very little packaged food is on avg $140 (from the cheaper of the supermarkets) you begin to question the viability of residing in this picturesque country. Have a great trip.

mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Alistair,<br />
You&#8217;ve brought light to a topic that&#8217;s been on the rise over the past few years (or more) and I have no idea why several of the prior posts are so defensive about such an internationally known fact.<br />
Our cost of living/wage ratio is well out of balance making simple healthy eating a luxury. Understandably we are an island nation and do have to import a significant portion of our our consumed product, which naturally is subject to the laws of business markup based upon the trading of the NZD. However when your 2 person, weekly vegetarian grocery bill with no milk/fish/chicken/sweets and very little packaged food is on avg $140 (from the cheaper of the supermarkets) you begin to question the viability of residing in this picturesque country. Have a great trip.</p>
<p>mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alistair
Thanks for your reply which is appreciated.
If you&#039;re in Northland drop in and Ill show you the real New Zealand http://www.bushmansfriend.co.nz/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alistair<br />
Thanks for your reply which is appreciated.<br />
If you&#8217;re in Northland drop in and Ill show you the real New Zealand <a href="http://www.bushmansfriend.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bushmansfriend.co.nz/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry that you were ripped off when buying those apples and dried figs, however that is not representative of prices in New Zealand. 

I wish I&#039;d seen this before I went to my local market this morning. I would have taken my camera along and given you photos showing apricots, plums and peaches at $2.49 a kilo, apples at $2.25 a kilo (which I didn&#039;t buy because they were so much more expensive than last week&#039;s $1.49 a kilo), and onions at $2 a KILO.

I&#039;d say that roadside stand is a tourist trap and they probably don&#039;t grow the fruit themselves, just buy it in from somewhere else. There are some of those about and the best thing to do is not buy from people like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that you were ripped off when buying those apples and dried figs, however that is not representative of prices in New Zealand. </p>
<p>I wish I&#8217;d seen this before I went to my local market this morning. I would have taken my camera along and given you photos showing apricots, plums and peaches at $2.49 a kilo, apples at $2.25 a kilo (which I didn&#8217;t buy because they were so much more expensive than last week&#8217;s $1.49 a kilo), and onions at $2 a KILO.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that roadside stand is a tourist trap and they probably don&#8217;t grow the fruit themselves, just buy it in from somewhere else. There are some of those about and the best thing to do is not buy from people like that.</p>
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