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		<title>By: Ilja Nieuwland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6369</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilja Nieuwland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 11:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I might be allowed to make one correction: the AMNH Brontosaurus wasn&#039;t in fact the first complete mount of a sauropod. That honor goes to the Diplodocus cast set up in the Pittsburgh exposition center in late 1904 by the Carnegie Museum. It was a plaster cast (the one that now stands in London), certainly, but full-size nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I might be allowed to make one correction: the AMNH Brontosaurus wasn&#8217;t in fact the first complete mount of a sauropod. That honor goes to the Diplodocus cast set up in the Pittsburgh exposition center in late 1904 by the Carnegie Museum. It was a plaster cast (the one that now stands in London), certainly, but full-size nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Stearns</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6169</link>
		<dc:creator>James A. Stearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see many solutions to this dilemma, but the current one (use &quot;Apatosaurus&quot; exclusively and correct anyone who calls the animal &quot;Brontosaurus&quot;) that has been going on since the 1970s has not worked. Parents continue to tell their children that the name is &quot;Brontosaurus&quot; and those children grow up to tell their children the same.

Here&#039;s my two cents on the subject:

A. Petition the ICZN to change the entire &quot;Apatosaurus&quot; genus to &quot;Brontosaurus.&quot; This could take a little getting used to, but ultimately I think more people would accept this than the present situation. However, the ICZN would probably never accept the proposal in the first place.

B. Make &quot;Brontosaurus&quot; the common name for the animal, while keeping &quot;Apatosaurus&quot; as the scientific name. I like this one better, as it&#039;s basically what&#039;s happened unofficially anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see many solutions to this dilemma, but the current one (use &#8220;Apatosaurus&#8221; exclusively and correct anyone who calls the animal &#8220;Brontosaurus&#8221;) that has been going on since the 1970s has not worked. Parents continue to tell their children that the name is &#8220;Brontosaurus&#8221; and those children grow up to tell their children the same.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my two cents on the subject:</p>
<p>A. Petition the ICZN to change the entire &#8220;Apatosaurus&#8221; genus to &#8220;Brontosaurus.&#8221; This could take a little getting used to, but ultimately I think more people would accept this than the present situation. However, the ICZN would probably never accept the proposal in the first place.</p>
<p>B. Make &#8220;Brontosaurus&#8221; the common name for the animal, while keeping &#8220;Apatosaurus&#8221; as the scientific name. I like this one better, as it&#8217;s basically what&#8217;s happened unofficially anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Martyniuk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6150</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Martyniuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not really sure you can call scientific hypotheses about the relationships between organisms, which is reflected in the names, “semantics”.&quot;

The scientific hypothesis is one thing. It&#039;s the decision about what labels to put on each node of the tree that&#039;s a semantic argument. As Matt Wedel stated above, whether or not the four different typoes of animal involved are named 
1. Apatosaurus parvus
2. Apatosaurus ajax
3. Apatosaurus louisae
4. Apatosaurus excelsus

OR

1. &quot;Proapatosaurus&quot; parvus
2. Apatosaurus ajax
3. Brontosaurus louisae
4. Brontosaurus excelsus

OR 

1. &quot;Proapatosaurus&quot; parvus
2. Apatosaurus ajax
3. &quot;Parabrontosaurus&quot; louisae
4. Brontosaurus excelsus

...makes no difference to the actual scientific hypothesis about how they are related. All that changes is the labels. And it doesn&#039;t change the fact that &quot;Brontosaurus&quot; excelsus is still a different animal from Apatosaurus ajax.

Talking about &quot;Apatosaurus&quot; as if it&#039;s an animal and not a (relatively large) group of animals is also incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not really sure you can call scientific hypotheses about the relationships between organisms, which is reflected in the names, “semantics”.&#8221;</p>
<p>The scientific hypothesis is one thing. It&#8217;s the decision about what labels to put on each node of the tree that&#8217;s a semantic argument. As Matt Wedel stated above, whether or not the four different typoes of animal involved are named<br />
1. Apatosaurus parvus<br />
2. Apatosaurus ajax<br />
3. Apatosaurus louisae<br />
4. Apatosaurus excelsus</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Proapatosaurus&#8221; parvus<br />
2. Apatosaurus ajax<br />
3. Brontosaurus louisae<br />
4. Brontosaurus excelsus</p>
<p>OR </p>
<p>1. &#8220;Proapatosaurus&#8221; parvus<br />
2. Apatosaurus ajax<br />
3. &#8220;Parabrontosaurus&#8221; louisae<br />
4. Brontosaurus excelsus</p>
<p>&#8230;makes no difference to the actual scientific hypothesis about how they are related. All that changes is the labels. And it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that &#8220;Brontosaurus&#8221; excelsus is still a different animal from Apatosaurus ajax.</p>
<p>Talking about &#8220;Apatosaurus&#8221; as if it&#8217;s an animal and not a (relatively large) group of animals is also incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Schenck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6145</link>
		<dc:creator>Schenck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ M.M. Not really sure you can call scientific hypotheses about the relationships between organisms, which is reflected in the names, &quot;semantics&quot;. Taxonomy is (generally, supposed to be) informed by phylogeny, and phylogenetics is certainly a science. I understand what you&#039;re getting at about the name, but if we keep names like &#039;Brontosaurus&#039; (or at least don&#039;t let the taxonomy reflect the phylogeny) then we&#039;re not being scientific.

Of course, there&#039;s nothing necessarily scientific about the rule of prior use in names, so there&#039;s no reason we couldn&#039;t&#039;ve jettisoned Apatasaurus and replaced it with Brontosaurus, that sort of stuff is semantics, I&#039;ll agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ M.M. Not really sure you can call scientific hypotheses about the relationships between organisms, which is reflected in the names, &#8220;semantics&#8221;. Taxonomy is (generally, supposed to be) informed by phylogeny, and phylogenetics is certainly a science. I understand what you&#8217;re getting at about the name, but if we keep names like &#8216;Brontosaurus&#8217; (or at least don&#8217;t let the taxonomy reflect the phylogeny) then we&#8217;re not being scientific.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s nothing necessarily scientific about the rule of prior use in names, so there&#8217;s no reason we couldn&#8217;t've jettisoned Apatasaurus and replaced it with Brontosaurus, that sort of stuff is semantics, I&#8217;ll agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting tidbit I stumbled upon just last night. In 1933, three decades after his conclusion that Brontosaurus was a junior synonym for Apatosaurus, Elmer Riggs, in an article he wrote about Charles R. Knight&#039;s iconic brontosaur painting at the Field Museum, continues to call the dinosaur Brontosaurus, and makes no mention of the name Apatosaurus even when describing the initial discovery of that genus in Morrison, Colorado in 1877. Instead he refers to it as Brontosaurus! The article appears on page 3 of the July, 1933 issue of the Field Museum News. A pdf of all the 1933 issues is available here:

http://archive.org/details/fieldmuseumnews04fiel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting tidbit I stumbled upon just last night. In 1933, three decades after his conclusion that Brontosaurus was a junior synonym for Apatosaurus, Elmer Riggs, in an article he wrote about Charles R. Knight&#8217;s iconic brontosaur painting at the Field Museum, continues to call the dinosaur Brontosaurus, and makes no mention of the name Apatosaurus even when describing the initial discovery of that genus in Morrison, Colorado in 1877. Instead he refers to it as Brontosaurus! The article appears on page 3 of the July, 1933 issue of the Field Museum News. A pdf of all the 1933 issues is available here:</p>
<p><a href="http://archive.org/details/fieldmuseumnews04fiel" rel="nofollow">http://archive.org/details/fieldmuseumnews04fiel</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Switek</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6133</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Switek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction, Mike. I fixed the post. I&#039;m not sure how the idea of a size difference wormed its way into my head. 

And thanks for the additional story, Mark! From what I have read, the excavations at Como Bluff sound like they were difficult and exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction, Mike. I fixed the post. I&#8217;m not sure how the idea of a size difference wormed its way into my head. </p>
<p>And thanks for the additional story, Mark! From what I have read, the excavations at Como Bluff sound like they were difficult and exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Peterson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6132</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One would think from Brian&#039;s ultra-revisionist commentaries on Sauropods that if one dared put foot into a body of water is would dissolve like the wicked witch of Oz.  Yes, elephants are terrestrial animals too, but they do like to wade into bodies of water to cool off.  Why is it so hard now for people to visualise sauropods doing the same thing, and ridicule any artwork with a Sauropod in the water?

This is nearly as ridiculous as the revisionist rule that Tyrannosaurs can never raise their bodies higher than a horizontal position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would think from Brian&#8217;s ultra-revisionist commentaries on Sauropods that if one dared put foot into a body of water is would dissolve like the wicked witch of Oz.  Yes, elephants are terrestrial animals too, but they do like to wade into bodies of water to cool off.  Why is it so hard now for people to visualise sauropods doing the same thing, and ridicule any artwork with a Sauropod in the water?</p>
<p>This is nearly as ridiculous as the revisionist rule that Tyrannosaurs can never raise their bodies higher than a horizontal position.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6131</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a kid, i had a plastic Brontosaurus toy. I know that because it said &quot;Brontosaurus&quot; right on it. I assumed that there was some sort of fossilized imprint with the name somewhere, you know, like foot prints, only of the tummy, where the Brontosaurus lay down in mud, which hardened into rock. I can&#039;t say that i cared much one way or the other what the name was. &#039;Apatosaurus&#039; is just as cool.

These days, i know which dot is &#039;Pluto&#039; in the discovery images. That&#039;s because there are arrows.  None of the stars in the field have arrows. I know i&#039;ve never discovered anything new in my backyard telescope because i&#039;ve never seen any arrows. I&#039;d likely be pissed if Pluto&#039;s name was change to something like &#039;134340&#039;, not because i&#039;m attached to the name, though it&#039;s a pretty cool name, but because of the stupid new definition change forced down the public&#039;s throat. It&#039;s not science, it&#039;s politics.

In that way, i can see how people could be upset.  But it seems likely that they had this headless skeleton and didn&#039;t have a viable scientific solution for a long time. So, they went with a political solution. Riggs didn&#039;t get his way. Two things had to happen to fix it. 1) come up with a scientific explanation and solution, and 2) wait for the politicians to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a kid, i had a plastic Brontosaurus toy. I know that because it said &#8220;Brontosaurus&#8221; right on it. I assumed that there was some sort of fossilized imprint with the name somewhere, you know, like foot prints, only of the tummy, where the Brontosaurus lay down in mud, which hardened into rock. I can&#8217;t say that i cared much one way or the other what the name was. &#8216;Apatosaurus&#8217; is just as cool.</p>
<p>These days, i know which dot is &#8216;Pluto&#8217; in the discovery images. That&#8217;s because there are arrows.  None of the stars in the field have arrows. I know i&#8217;ve never discovered anything new in my backyard telescope because i&#8217;ve never seen any arrows. I&#8217;d likely be pissed if Pluto&#8217;s name was change to something like &#8217;134340&#8242;, not because i&#8217;m attached to the name, though it&#8217;s a pretty cool name, but because of the stupid new definition change forced down the public&#8217;s throat. It&#8217;s not science, it&#8217;s politics.</p>
<p>In that way, i can see how people could be upset.  But it seems likely that they had this headless skeleton and didn&#8217;t have a viable scientific solution for a long time. So, they went with a political solution. Riggs didn&#8217;t get his way. Two things had to happen to fix it. 1) come up with a scientific explanation and solution, and 2) wait for the politicians to die.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Dr'. S Beckmann, BS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6130</link>
		<dc:creator>'Dr'. S Beckmann, BS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere, Fred Flintstone is crying.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Brian.  One correction: &quot;Indeed, in 1903 paleontologist Elmer Riggs recognized that &lt;i&gt;Brontosaurus excelsus&lt;/i&gt; was extraordinarily similar to the skeleton of a smaller sauropod, named &lt;i&gt;Apatosaurus ajax&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

The &lt;i&gt;Apatosaurus ajax&lt;/i&gt; holotype YPM 1860 is not a smaller animal than the &lt;i&gt;Brontosaurus excelsus&lt;/i&gt; holotype YPM 1980.  Although it is much less mature, it&#039;s the same size -- as you can see in the second illustration of &lt;a href=&quot;http://svpow.com/2012/04/09/neural-spine-bifurcation-in-sauropods-part-2-why-serial-position-matters/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this recent SV-POW! post&lt;/a&gt;.  The &lt;i&gt;Brontosaurus&lt;/i&gt; sacrum is much &lt;i&gt;longer&lt;/i&gt;, but that&#039;s because, being matture, all five true sacrals and a dorsosacral are co-ossified, whereas in the &lt;i&gt;Apatosarus&lt;/i&gt; its only the three primary sacrals; but they are the same width, and the three primary sacrals taken together are the same length.

So the conclusion has to be that the &lt;i&gt;Apatosaurus&lt;/i&gt; type specimen would have grown much larger than the &lt;i&gt;Brontosaurus&lt;/i&gt; type had it lived on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Brian.  One correction: &#8220;Indeed, in 1903 paleontologist Elmer Riggs recognized that <i>Brontosaurus excelsus</i> was extraordinarily similar to the skeleton of a smaller sauropod, named <i>Apatosaurus ajax</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>The <i>Apatosaurus ajax</i> holotype YPM 1860 is not a smaller animal than the <i>Brontosaurus excelsus</i> holotype YPM 1980.  Although it is much less mature, it&#8217;s the same size &#8212; as you can see in the second illustration of <a href="http://svpow.com/2012/04/09/neural-spine-bifurcation-in-sauropods-part-2-why-serial-position-matters/" rel="nofollow">this recent SV-POW! post</a>.  The <i>Brontosaurus</i> sacrum is much <i>longer</i>, but that&#8217;s because, being matture, all five true sacrals and a dorsosacral are co-ossified, whereas in the <i>Apatosarus</i> its only the three primary sacrals; but they are the same width, and the three primary sacrals taken together are the same length.</p>
<p>So the conclusion has to be that the <i>Apatosaurus</i> type specimen would have grown much larger than the <i>Brontosaurus</i> type had it lived on.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wedel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6125</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Whether or not Brontosaurus is a synonym of Apatosaurus is a taxonomic and therefore semantic, not scientific, argument.&lt;/i&gt;

If they were sister taxa, I would agree more fully. But according to Upchurch et al. (2005), &lt;i&gt;A. excelsus&lt;/i&gt; is deeply nested within &lt;i&gt;Apatosaurus&lt;/i&gt;, with &lt;i&gt;A. parvus&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;A. ajax&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;A. louisae&lt;/i&gt; as successive outgroups. Given that topology (which, we should all realize, is a hypothesis, not a fact), putting &lt;i&gt;A. excelsus&lt;/i&gt; into a separate genus would require raising separate genera for &lt;i&gt;A. parvus&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;A. louisae&lt;/i&gt; as well. That would also depend on the subjective settings of different researchers&#039; Genericometers, I&#039;m just pointing out that we can&#039;t resurrect &lt;i&gt;Brontosaurus&lt;/i&gt; without some other taxonomic fallout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Whether or not Brontosaurus is a synonym of Apatosaurus is a taxonomic and therefore semantic, not scientific, argument.</i></p>
<p>If they were sister taxa, I would agree more fully. But according to Upchurch et al. (2005), <i>A. excelsus</i> is deeply nested within <i>Apatosaurus</i>, with <i>A. parvus</i>, <i>A. ajax</i>, and <i>A. louisae</i> as successive outgroups. Given that topology (which, we should all realize, is a hypothesis, not a fact), putting <i>A. excelsus</i> into a separate genus would require raising separate genera for <i>A. parvus</i> and <i>A. louisae</i> as well. That would also depend on the subjective settings of different researchers&#8217; Genericometers, I&#8217;m just pointing out that we can&#8217;t resurrect <i>Brontosaurus</i> without some other taxonomic fallout.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Martyniuk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosaur/2012/04/why-brontosaurus-still-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-6124</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Martyniuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even though Riggs’ case would eventually win out, AMNH paleontologists Henry Fairfield Osborn and William Diller Matthew didn’t agree with the name change. Exactly why Brontosaurus was allowed to live on—much to Riggs’ frustration—is unclear.&quot;

Looks like you answered the question right there: Osborn and Matthew allowed it to live on because they had a narrower setting on their patented Genericometer. There&#039;s no provision in the ICZN that says the word of Elmer Riggs is law, and &quot;genera&quot; are totally subjective concepts. You could continue to use Brontosaurus as a valid genus today and you wouldn&#039;t be wrong, just unorthodox.

The idea that &quot;Brontosaurus never existed&quot; IMO has done more harm than good for the understanding of how science works. Whether or not Brontosaurus is a synonym of Apatosaurus is a taxonomic and therefore semantic, not scientific, argument. Whether or not Brontosaurus excelsus and Apatosaurus ajax are synonyms is a different issue, but I don&#039;t think anybody has really argued that case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even though Riggs’ case would eventually win out, AMNH paleontologists Henry Fairfield Osborn and William Diller Matthew didn’t agree with the name change. Exactly why Brontosaurus was allowed to live on—much to Riggs’ frustration—is unclear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looks like you answered the question right there: Osborn and Matthew allowed it to live on because they had a narrower setting on their patented Genericometer. There&#8217;s no provision in the ICZN that says the word of Elmer Riggs is law, and &#8220;genera&#8221; are totally subjective concepts. You could continue to use Brontosaurus as a valid genus today and you wouldn&#8217;t be wrong, just unorthodox.</p>
<p>The idea that &#8220;Brontosaurus never existed&#8221; IMO has done more harm than good for the understanding of how science works. Whether or not Brontosaurus is a synonym of Apatosaurus is a taxonomic and therefore semantic, not scientific, argument. Whether or not Brontosaurus excelsus and Apatosaurus ajax are synonyms is a different issue, but I don&#8217;t think anybody has really argued that case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another reason Brontosaurus should be revived as the official name. On July 26, 1879, Arthur Lakes,one of Marsh&#039;s bone diggers at Como Bluff, Wyoming wrote in his field journal:

&quot;Men came back with report of discovery of very big bones at a spot between Quarries 8 and 9. Heavy thunderstorms hailstones fell the size of hens eggs. Telegraph wires broken.“ - Arthur Lakes&#039; journal entry for July 26, 1879.

The men were William H. Reed and his assistant Edward Ashley,the bonebed would be designated Quarry 10, and the &quot;very big bones&quot; were those of what Marsh would later christen Brontosaurus. How cool and appropriate that a very nasty thunderstorm ushered the great sauropod into our collective conscious.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another reason Brontosaurus should be revived as the official name. On July 26, 1879, Arthur Lakes,one of Marsh&#8217;s bone diggers at Como Bluff, Wyoming wrote in his field journal:</p>
<p>&#8220;Men came back with report of discovery of very big bones at a spot between Quarries 8 and 9. Heavy thunderstorms hailstones fell the size of hens eggs. Telegraph wires broken.“ &#8211; Arthur Lakes&#8217; journal entry for July 26, 1879.</p>
<p>The men were William H. Reed and his assistant Edward Ashley,the bonebed would be designated Quarry 10, and the &#8220;very big bones&#8221; were those of what Marsh would later christen Brontosaurus. How cool and appropriate that a very nasty thunderstorm ushered the great sauropod into our collective conscious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it is hard to come shake off the old memes of my childhood on Brontosaurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it is hard to come shake off the old memes of my childhood on Brontosaurs.</p>
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