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		<title>By: fuo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-2104</link>
		<dc:creator>fuo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these women should be called Amazonian women because of their structure. Does any  body know whether these women who obviously did the work of two people resulting in their fearlessness, courageness and strength had a sibling with learning difficulties 25% chance. Then it means that the women historically did the work of two people which means that on an innate level they should have been very intelligent genetically. I believe that benin/edo psyche or thinking falls off the back of amazonic women thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these women should be called Amazonian women because of their structure. Does any  body know whether these women who obviously did the work of two people resulting in their fearlessness, courageness and strength had a sibling with learning difficulties 25% chance. Then it means that the women historically did the work of two people which means that on an innate level they should have been very intelligent genetically. I believe that benin/edo psyche or thinking falls off the back of amazonic women thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dash</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-2016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m forced to admit that it is hard enough to research and write one 2,500-3,500 word Smithsonian essay a week, often from scratch, while keeping up a full time job elsewhere without committing to revising older material. And it would of course be pretty academically dishonest to add Bay&#039;s work to the bibliography without any revision of the text. Hopefully the discussion in the comments will draw her work to some people&#039;s attention though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m forced to admit that it is hard enough to research and write one 2,500-3,500 word Smithsonian essay a week, often from scratch, while keeping up a full time job elsewhere without committing to revising older material. And it would of course be pretty academically dishonest to add Bay&#8217;s work to the bibliography without any revision of the text. Hopefully the discussion in the comments will draw her work to some people&#8217;s attention though.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Burrill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Burrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to reiterate that I find it really curious that Edna Bay&#039;s work is not cited here. She is widely recognized among Africanist scholars as the authoritative English-speaking historian of Dahomey. Wives of the Leopard is a must-read for anyone interested in Dahomey&#039;s history, particularly its women warriors. Is there a way to update the essay and the bibliography on this site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to reiterate that I find it really curious that Edna Bay&#8217;s work is not cited here. She is widely recognized among Africanist scholars as the authoritative English-speaking historian of Dahomey. Wives of the Leopard is a must-read for anyone interested in Dahomey&#8217;s history, particularly its women warriors. Is there a way to update the essay and the bibliography on this site?</p>
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		<title>By: dion</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-2002</link>
		<dc:creator>dion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it  seems   the   advent  of   the   machine   gun   lead  to  the  large  causal ties</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it  seems   the   advent  of   the   machine   gun   lead  to  the  large  causal ties</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dash</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-1370</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The source of the illustration is Henri Morienval, &lt;em&gt;La guerre au Dahomey: journal de campagne d&#039;un sous-lieutenant d&#039;infanterie de marine&lt;/em&gt;. Paris: Hatier, 1893.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The source of the illustration is Henri Morienval, <em>La guerre au Dahomey: journal de campagne d&#8217;un sous-lieutenant d&#8217;infanterie de marine</em>. Paris: Hatier, 1893.</p>
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		<title>By: knox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I wonder if you could possibly tell me the source for the illustration entitled &#039;Women warriors parade outside the gates of a Dahomean town, with the severed heads of their defeated foes adorning the walls&#039;. It would be greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I wonder if you could possibly tell me the source for the illustration entitled &#8216;Women warriors parade outside the gates of a Dahomean town, with the severed heads of their defeated foes adorning the walls&#8217;. It would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Belinda Blakey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Belinda Blakey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In December of 1988, I was privileged to visit Dahomey (da&#039;s stomach), now known at Benin Republic. I visited a royal compound in the province where these Amazon women were from. I recall the thrones of the king and queen decorated with the skulls of their conquered. These thrones were side by side.  I saw a photo of a behead victim. A war trophy being carried by a women warrior. I was informed, by the quide, that the women were required, as all citizens of Dahomey, to serve in the army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In December of 1988, I was privileged to visit Dahomey (da&#8217;s stomach), now known at Benin Republic. I visited a royal compound in the province where these Amazon women were from. I recall the thrones of the king and queen decorated with the skulls of their conquered. These thrones were side by side.  I saw a photo of a behead victim. A war trophy being carried by a women warrior. I was informed, by the quide, that the women were required, as all citizens of Dahomey, to serve in the army.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dash</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would certainly not argue that women never joined the Dahomean army unwillingly–it was scarcely an all-volunteer force–you are taking Bay&#039;s comments out of context. Her passage on the willingness or otherwise of the female recruits cites only the Chevalier de Marchais, who was writing in the 1720s &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; the &quot;amazon&quot; corps was formed, and who was talking about the king&#039;s wives in general and not about the military in particular (&lt;em&gt;ahosi&lt;/em&gt; was a generic term used to apply to all three classes of wives). Similarly–with specific reference to suicides–Bay&#039;s only other evidence comes from an oral tradition of unprovable veracity, from a source she does not bother to cite and which is thus uncheckable, which dates to as late as the 1970s, and which might conceivably be merely a modern verbal version of the Chevalier&#039;s original. This, in any case, also refers in general terms to all women taken into the king&#039;s palace, not just the soldiery, and Bay goes on to concede that &quot;once inside the palace... most women seem to have accepted their situation [and] had opportunities for gain.&quot; 

There seem to be no other references to suicides in other, later, sources and as such it would simply be extraordinarily dangerous and even sensationalist to suggest that this was at any time a common–or even uncommon–strategy employed by female army recruits in the later eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

Recruitment was in effect a form of tribute-villages were expected to supply a certain number of girls to the king–and in that respect of course it was not difficult to swell the ranks of the women&#039;s regiments. But since we know that some female soldiers were the daughters of other female soldiers (because some &quot;amazons&quot; had been married before being drafted) there was an element of continuity. For a significant minority, it would simply have been the life they knew.

With regard to &quot;lives of forced drudgery,&quot; John M&#039;Leod, writing in his &lt;em&gt;Voyage to Africa&lt;/em&gt; in 1803, remarked: &quot;The state of woman is, upon the whole, very abject here. Wives approach their husbands with every mark of the humblest submission. In presenting him with the calabash containing his food, after she has cooked it, she kneels and offers it with an averted look, it being deemed too bold to stare him full in the face.&quot; Discussing Dahomean women, the British naval officer Henry Veel Huntley, in 1831, added more specifically: &quot;She is a drudge.&quot; Répin, who ventured further inland, reported that a Dahomean woman presented her husband&#039;s food to him while on her knees and was not allowed to eat with him. I could go on at some length, but why not cite Bay herself, who points out that &quot;In popular thought, women as women were objects of scorn and contempt&quot;, and who relates from her own experience in Abomey that even late in the 20th century, a man who wished to describe another&#039;s performance as worthless would remark: &quot;He is less than a woman.&quot;

Is it really so difficult to believe that some women–probably many women-who had experienced this actively preferred a situation in which (to cite Répin again) &quot;the amazons are lodged in the palaces of the king, who supports them sumptuously, and they pass their time there drinking, smoking, and dancing&quot;; in which each possessed her own slave, who accompanied her to war to carry her gear; and in which, to cite Joseph Dawson, a longtime resident of Ouidah in the 1850s and 1860s, their influence was such that they could actively assist their families and acquaintances–Dawson notes that a man with a grievance could bring it directly to the king&#039;s attention, bypassing his chief, via his amazon &quot;mother&quot;?

Eardley Wilmot noted that &quot;The Amazons are everything in this kingdom. They are the first in honour and importance.&quot; For me that explains the swaggering &lt;em&gt;esprit de corps&lt;/em&gt; so often commented on by impressed visitors. Where, on the other hand, is the evidence of the desertion, low morale and ineffectiveness that ought to have characterised a regiment of women who had been impressed and brutalised? It is simply impossible to conceive that the &quot;amazons&quot; could have attained their reputation for ferocity and efficiency, and become the elite corps they so plainly were, if the great majority had not been not only willing, but also proud, to serve.

But, yes, I certainly should have cited Bay&#039;s generally very well-researched book in the bibliography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would certainly not argue that women never joined the Dahomean army unwillingly–it was scarcely an all-volunteer force–you are taking Bay&#8217;s comments out of context. Her passage on the willingness or otherwise of the female recruits cites only the Chevalier de Marchais, who was writing in the 1720s <em>before</em> the &#8220;amazon&#8221; corps was formed, and who was talking about the king&#8217;s wives in general and not about the military in particular (<em>ahosi</em> was a generic term used to apply to all three classes of wives). Similarly–with specific reference to suicides–Bay&#8217;s only other evidence comes from an oral tradition of unprovable veracity, from a source she does not bother to cite and which is thus uncheckable, which dates to as late as the 1970s, and which might conceivably be merely a modern verbal version of the Chevalier&#8217;s original. This, in any case, also refers in general terms to all women taken into the king&#8217;s palace, not just the soldiery, and Bay goes on to concede that &#8220;once inside the palace&#8230; most women seem to have accepted their situation [and] had opportunities for gain.&#8221; </p>
<p>There seem to be no other references to suicides in other, later, sources and as such it would simply be extraordinarily dangerous and even sensationalist to suggest that this was at any time a common–or even uncommon–strategy employed by female army recruits in the later eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.</p>
<p>Recruitment was in effect a form of tribute-villages were expected to supply a certain number of girls to the king–and in that respect of course it was not difficult to swell the ranks of the women&#8217;s regiments. But since we know that some female soldiers were the daughters of other female soldiers (because some &#8220;amazons&#8221; had been married before being drafted) there was an element of continuity. For a significant minority, it would simply have been the life they knew.</p>
<p>With regard to &#8220;lives of forced drudgery,&#8221; John M&#8217;Leod, writing in his <em>Voyage to Africa</em> in 1803, remarked: &#8220;The state of woman is, upon the whole, very abject here. Wives approach their husbands with every mark of the humblest submission. In presenting him with the calabash containing his food, after she has cooked it, she kneels and offers it with an averted look, it being deemed too bold to stare him full in the face.&#8221; Discussing Dahomean women, the British naval officer Henry Veel Huntley, in 1831, added more specifically: &#8220;She is a drudge.&#8221; Répin, who ventured further inland, reported that a Dahomean woman presented her husband&#8217;s food to him while on her knees and was not allowed to eat with him. I could go on at some length, but why not cite Bay herself, who points out that &#8220;In popular thought, women as women were objects of scorn and contempt&#8221;, and who relates from her own experience in Abomey that even late in the 20th century, a man who wished to describe another&#8217;s performance as worthless would remark: &#8220;He is less than a woman.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it really so difficult to believe that some women–probably many women-who had experienced this actively preferred a situation in which (to cite Répin again) &#8220;the amazons are lodged in the palaces of the king, who supports them sumptuously, and they pass their time there drinking, smoking, and dancing&#8221;; in which each possessed her own slave, who accompanied her to war to carry her gear; and in which, to cite Joseph Dawson, a longtime resident of Ouidah in the 1850s and 1860s, their influence was such that they could actively assist their families and acquaintances–Dawson notes that a man with a grievance could bring it directly to the king&#8217;s attention, bypassing his chief, via his amazon &#8220;mother&#8221;?</p>
<p>Eardley Wilmot noted that &#8220;The Amazons are everything in this kingdom. They are the first in honour and importance.&#8221; For me that explains the swaggering <em>esprit de corps</em> so often commented on by impressed visitors. Where, on the other hand, is the evidence of the desertion, low morale and ineffectiveness that ought to have characterised a regiment of women who had been impressed and brutalised? It is simply impossible to conceive that the &#8220;amazons&#8221; could have attained their reputation for ferocity and efficiency, and become the elite corps they so plainly were, if the great majority had not been not only willing, but also proud, to serve.</p>
<p>But, yes, I certainly should have cited Bay&#8217;s generally very well-researched book in the bibliography.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Mr. Dash not cite more critical scholarship like Edna G. Bay&#039;s &#039;Wives of the Leopard: Gender, Politics, and Culture in the Kingdom of Dahomey&#039; (Univ. of Virginia Press, 1998), which reports that &quot;There is no evidence that any woman in Dahomey ever became an ahosi willingly&quot; and that some women committed suicide to avoid this fate?  How does he know that &quot;Recruiting women into the Dahomean army was not especially difficult&quot; or that &quot;Most West African women lived lives of forced drudgery&quot;?  Mike Dash claims to know that another study, which he cites, is &quot;the only full-length English-language study,&quot; so he must have examined Bay&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Mr. Dash not cite more critical scholarship like Edna G. Bay&#8217;s &#8216;Wives of the Leopard: Gender, Politics, and Culture in the Kingdom of Dahomey&#8217; (Univ. of Virginia Press, 1998), which reports that &#8220;There is no evidence that any woman in Dahomey ever became an ahosi willingly&#8221; and that some women committed suicide to avoid this fate?  How does he know that &#8220;Recruiting women into the Dahomean army was not especially difficult&#8221; or that &#8220;Most West African women lived lives of forced drudgery&#8221;?  Mike Dash claims to know that another study, which he cites, is &#8220;the only full-length English-language study,&#8221; so he must have examined Bay&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemon Tree</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2011/09/dahomeys-women-warriors/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemon Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, this is marvelous!  

As a woman, and, as a veteran, I can say that I am delighted that the Smithsonian, and in particular, Mr. Dash, has written upon this subject!  

Mr. Dash&#039;s work is always intriguing, and it is with great anticipation I look forward to what he will enthrall us with, next!

Bloody good reading!

LT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this is marvelous!  </p>
<p>As a woman, and, as a veteran, I can say that I am delighted that the Smithsonian, and in particular, Mr. Dash, has written upon this subject!  </p>
<p>Mr. Dash&#8217;s work is always intriguing, and it is with great anticipation I look forward to what he will enthrall us with, next!</p>
<p>Bloody good reading!</p>
<p>LT</p>
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