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		<title>By: Eleni</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that Empress Wu is regarded by history much the same as Catherine the Great of Russia and Cleopatra of Egypt.  Yet all three apparently brought stablization to their countries at a time when stablization was seldomly found in the world.  It causes one to wonder how differently they would have been portrayed in historical accounts had they been men....just wondering</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that Empress Wu is regarded by history much the same as Catherine the Great of Russia and Cleopatra of Egypt.  Yet all three apparently brought stablization to their countries at a time when stablization was seldomly found in the world.  It causes one to wonder how differently they would have been portrayed in historical accounts had they been men&#8230;.just wondering</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2324</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi im Paul Wu Manchu/Italian jewelry designer from and born in london uk,ive enjoyed your post&#039;s and reading different perspectives on both my Aunts,the thing least mentioned of them by most historians,was that they were  great lovers of the arts,and the divine feminine inspite of their infamy,it is time for the pheonix to rise over the dragon once again,and let the divine feminine rule this world,and not the masculine dragonian hand that rules with an iron fist presently,had they been in power with the divine feminine as protocol,it would have been a very different story,as you know they were stronger than man,they took thrones,not given them,they did not design the system just survived it,many thanks for the read,i enjoyed the historical reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi im Paul Wu Manchu/Italian jewelry designer from and born in london uk,ive enjoyed your post&#8217;s and reading different perspectives on both my Aunts,the thing least mentioned of them by most historians,was that they were  great lovers of the arts,and the divine feminine inspite of their infamy,it is time for the pheonix to rise over the dragon once again,and let the divine feminine rule this world,and not the masculine dragonian hand that rules with an iron fist presently,had they been in power with the divine feminine as protocol,it would have been a very different story,as you know they were stronger than man,they took thrones,not given them,they did not design the system just survived it,many thanks for the read,i enjoyed the historical reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin Stapleton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2019</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin Stapleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do very well as a non-specialist!  Thanks!  A few years back I visited Wu&#039;s birthplace along the old imperial road in the mountain passes between Shaanxi and Sichuan.  They make much of her there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do very well as a non-specialist!  Thanks!  A few years back I visited Wu&#8217;s birthplace along the old imperial road in the mountain passes between Shaanxi and Sichuan.  They make much of her there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dash</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2015</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 08:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mention of &quot;3,000 years&quot; was not supposed to suggest an era terminating in Wu&#039;s reign, but to refer to whole of the imperial period ending in 1911. As for Cixi, she is certainly a fascinating character, well worth a post in her own right some day (and Backhouse equally so, though perhaps his story, even after Trevor-Roper got to it, might be a little spicy for the Smithsonian–if you find it interesting you would probably enjoy &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/02/the-mysterious-mr-zedzed-the-wickedest-man-in-the-world/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the essay on Basil Zaharoff&lt;/a&gt; on this site). Nonetheless, as your own reply acknowledges, while she certainly did wield the power of an emperor, she never formally did so in her own name, rather than as a regent. Hence the very careful formulation of the relevant sentence in this essay!

Thank you, though, for correcting my misidentification of &quot;turtles&quot;. I am not, as you no doubt guess, a specialist in Chinese history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mention of &#8220;3,000 years&#8221; was not supposed to suggest an era terminating in Wu&#8217;s reign, but to refer to whole of the imperial period ending in 1911. As for Cixi, she is certainly a fascinating character, well worth a post in her own right some day (and Backhouse equally so, though perhaps his story, even after Trevor-Roper got to it, might be a little spicy for the Smithsonian–if you find it interesting you would probably enjoy <a href="http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/02/the-mysterious-mr-zedzed-the-wickedest-man-in-the-world/" rel="nofollow">the essay on Basil Zaharoff</a> on this site). Nonetheless, as your own reply acknowledges, while she certainly did wield the power of an emperor, she never formally did so in her own name, rather than as a regent. Hence the very careful formulation of the relevant sentence in this essay!</p>
<p>Thank you, though, for correcting my misidentification of &#8220;turtles&#8221;. I am not, as you no doubt guess, a specialist in Chinese history.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N-H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 04:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Of all these female rulers, though, none has aroused so much controversy, or wielded such great power, as a monarch whose real achievements and character remain obscured behind layers of obloquy. Her name was Wu Zetian, and in the seventh century A.D. she became the only woman in more than 3,000 years of Chinese history to rule in her own right.&#039;

Setting aside for a moment that &#039;more than 3000 years&#039; counting backwards from the 7th century takes us well into the realm of myth, I think many a reader might have expected this to conclude, &#039;Her name was Cixi, and she held power in one guise or other over the Great Qing Empire, which included China, from 1861 to her death in 1908.&#039; 

Much of this time was spent in successive regencies, officially shared for part of the time with Xianfeng&#039;s widow, Ci&#039;an, and her power was great enough for her effectively to de-throne and imprison the Guangxu emperor and rule in his stead before hand-picking his successor immediately before her own death. She ruled over greater territory and a larger population than Wu Zetian. No one was in any doubt where power lay at court, never mind which emperor was nominally on the throne, and there was no shortage of controversy either: she stands accused of poisoning her co-regent, Ci&#039;an; there are sexual rumours (although sources--especially Backhouse--are unreliable); plenty of other corpses including those involved in the &#039;Hundred Days&#039; reforms that might have saved the Qing; supposedly misappropriation of funds to rebuild sections of the Summer Palace; and responsibility for the debacle of the Siege of the Legations which saw Beijing occupied by foreign armies while she fled (for the second time in her life). Some would place entire responsibility for the final collapse of the Qing just a few years later firmly in her ultra-conservative hands. 

At the very least she can&#039;t be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Of all these female rulers, though, none has aroused so much controversy, or wielded such great power, as a monarch whose real achievements and character remain obscured behind layers of obloquy. Her name was Wu Zetian, and in the seventh century A.D. she became the only woman in more than 3,000 years of Chinese history to rule in her own right.&#8217;</p>
<p>Setting aside for a moment that &#8216;more than 3000 years&#8217; counting backwards from the 7th century takes us well into the realm of myth, I think many a reader might have expected this to conclude, &#8216;Her name was Cixi, and she held power in one guise or other over the Great Qing Empire, which included China, from 1861 to her death in 1908.&#8217; </p>
<p>Much of this time was spent in successive regencies, officially shared for part of the time with Xianfeng&#8217;s widow, Ci&#8217;an, and her power was great enough for her effectively to de-throne and imprison the Guangxu emperor and rule in his stead before hand-picking his successor immediately before her own death. She ruled over greater territory and a larger population than Wu Zetian. No one was in any doubt where power lay at court, never mind which emperor was nominally on the throne, and there was no shortage of controversy either: she stands accused of poisoning her co-regent, Ci&#8217;an; there are sexual rumours (although sources&#8211;especially Backhouse&#8211;are unreliable); plenty of other corpses including those involved in the &#8216;Hundred Days&#8217; reforms that might have saved the Qing; supposedly misappropriation of funds to rebuild sections of the Summer Palace; and responsibility for the debacle of the Siege of the Legations which saw Beijing occupied by foreign armies while she fled (for the second time in her life). Some would place entire responsibility for the final collapse of the Qing just a few years later firmly in her ultra-conservative hands. </p>
<p>At the very least she can&#8217;t be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N-H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies: Belatedly noting your final sentence I would have removed my first observation were this site to offer an editing function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies: Belatedly noting your final sentence I would have removed my first observation were this site to offer an editing function.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N-H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2009</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Principal memorial&#039; is perhaps a bit of a quibble, although the point is well taken, and none of this should detract from praise for an enjoyable and informative read on Wu Zetian.

Information at the site (and thus, I would not deny, quite possibly problematic) suggests that the Qianlong emperor, despite a tendency to scribble absolutely anywhere he could, avoided placing commentary about his father on the two stelae I mentioned, probably erected two years after the Yongzheng emperor&#039;s death which is when the tomb was completed (1737), both out of filial piety and because he felt it too soon. And surely the Great Stelae Hall you mention is the very same Da Bei Lou (&#039;Great Stelae Hall&#039;) in which the blank stelae stand? No? So why would the two with characters (which I must admit I don&#039;t remember seeing and my photography is not immediately to hand) be &#039;principal memorials&#039; and those without not be, unless their lack of inscription is taken to indicate that, which would be a rather circular argument?

And of course stelae are never set in &#039;turtles&#039;, but in bi4xi4 (赑屃)--one of the nine &#039;sons of the dragon&#039;. Note the un-turtle-like teeth and claws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Principal memorial&#8217; is perhaps a bit of a quibble, although the point is well taken, and none of this should detract from praise for an enjoyable and informative read on Wu Zetian.</p>
<p>Information at the site (and thus, I would not deny, quite possibly problematic) suggests that the Qianlong emperor, despite a tendency to scribble absolutely anywhere he could, avoided placing commentary about his father on the two stelae I mentioned, probably erected two years after the Yongzheng emperor&#8217;s death which is when the tomb was completed (1737), both out of filial piety and because he felt it too soon. And surely the Great Stelae Hall you mention is the very same Da Bei Lou (&#8216;Great Stelae Hall&#8217;) in which the blank stelae stand? No? So why would the two with characters (which I must admit I don&#8217;t remember seeing and my photography is not immediately to hand) be &#8216;principal memorials&#8217; and those without not be, unless their lack of inscription is taken to indicate that, which would be a rather circular argument?</p>
<p>And of course stelae are never set in &#8216;turtles&#8217;, but in bi4xi4 (赑屃)&#8211;one of the nine &#8216;sons of the dragon&#8217;. Note the un-turtle-like teeth and claws.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dash</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2008</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for pointing this out. In this case, however, there is no suggestion that the blank stelae were ever intended as the principal memorials to Yongzheng. The Western Qing Tombs are centered on the Great Stele Hall, which contains two stone turtles supporting tablets that have been carved in both Chinese and Manchu in praise of this emperor&#039;s principal virtues and achievements. The text should have made it clearer that the statement referred to principal memorials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing this out. In this case, however, there is no suggestion that the blank stelae were ever intended as the principal memorials to Yongzheng. The Western Qing Tombs are centered on the Great Stele Hall, which contains two stone turtles supporting tablets that have been carved in both Chinese and Manchu in praise of this emperor&#8217;s principal virtues and achievements. The text should have made it clearer that the statement referred to principal memorials.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N-H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2005</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is the only known uncarved memorial tablet in more than 2,000 years of imperial history&quot;

What about, for instance, the two stelae in the Da Bei Lou at the beginning of the route to the Tai Ling, the Yongzheng emperor&#039;s tomb at the Western Qing Tombs? These are also blank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is the only known uncarved memorial tablet in more than 2,000 years of imperial history&#8221;</p>
<p>What about, for instance, the two stelae in the Da Bei Lou at the beginning of the route to the Tai Ling, the Yongzheng emperor&#8217;s tomb at the Western Qing Tombs? These are also blank.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Lemontree</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/08/the-demonization-of-empress-wu/#comment-2001</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Lemontree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dr. Dash, for bringing into the spotlight those rulers and leaders who are fascinating for no other reason than the scant, sometimes marvelous, and often biased records of existence. 

It is especially refreshing that these, and particularly,Wu, are most notably, Women.

I suppose if Eve, of garden of Eden fame, can not escape the sensational wrath of predominantly male historians and the ire of gentlemanly scholars, Wu is fair game, too. As are any other aspiring or current leaders whose misfortune is lack of penes.

Oh! The intrigue of rolling heads! Reports of hands and feet rudely removed! Infanticide, sordid sexual romps, and whatnot, do show that, whatever gender, power will gained, by some, no matter the cost. Or they will certainly make someone else die, while they are trying!

M. Lemontree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dr. Dash, for bringing into the spotlight those rulers and leaders who are fascinating for no other reason than the scant, sometimes marvelous, and often biased records of existence. </p>
<p>It is especially refreshing that these, and particularly,Wu, are most notably, Women.</p>
<p>I suppose if Eve, of garden of Eden fame, can not escape the sensational wrath of predominantly male historians and the ire of gentlemanly scholars, Wu is fair game, too. As are any other aspiring or current leaders whose misfortune is lack of penes.</p>
<p>Oh! The intrigue of rolling heads! Reports of hands and feet rudely removed! Infanticide, sordid sexual romps, and whatnot, do show that, whatever gender, power will gained, by some, no matter the cost. Or they will certainly make someone else die, while they are trying!</p>
<p>M. Lemontree</p>
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