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		<title>By: Roger Conroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/ideas/2012/04/will-america-ever-love-electric-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-1861</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Conroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to bike the trails around Henderson Nevada then got an e bike as I got older.  What a nightmare.  the dealer assured me I could use my ebike any  place a regular bicycle is used.  People would scream at me to get off the trails. They were very nasty even though my ebike is safer with better controls than their 21 etc speed bikes.  People were ignorant and screamed, &quot;it has a motor, get it off the trails&quot;.  So I am left with no place to ride it but dangerous city streets,
Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to bike the trails around Henderson Nevada then got an e bike as I got older.  What a nightmare.  the dealer assured me I could use my ebike any  place a regular bicycle is used.  People would scream at me to get off the trails. They were very nasty even though my ebike is safer with better controls than their 21 etc speed bikes.  People were ignorant and screamed, &#8220;it has a motor, get it off the trails&#8221;.  So I am left with no place to ride it but dangerous city streets,<br />
Roger</p>
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		<title>By: glenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In San Francisco I and MANY other people have been repeatedly ticketed and have our e-bike towed immediately in bike lanes. It is legal to ride them in the bike lane, but whatever the cop says goes every  time. Tickets be thrown out of court everytime, but you still have to go to court, pay for towing, pay for transit to retrieve, and pay crazy impound fees. This is a lot of trouble. It is a lot more trouble if you don&#039;t have sales receipt for the bike to prove its yours. This costs a day of standing in line and around $300-1500(tow+impound)!!! This and theft are VITAL reasons to avoid e-bikes until cops are controlled and will agree to read law on phone/computer before writing bad tickets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In San Francisco I and MANY other people have been repeatedly ticketed and have our e-bike towed immediately in bike lanes. It is legal to ride them in the bike lane, but whatever the cop says goes every  time. Tickets be thrown out of court everytime, but you still have to go to court, pay for towing, pay for transit to retrieve, and pay crazy impound fees. This is a lot of trouble. It is a lot more trouble if you don&#8217;t have sales receipt for the bike to prove its yours. This costs a day of standing in line and around $300-1500(tow+impound)!!! This and theft are VITAL reasons to avoid e-bikes until cops are controlled and will agree to read law on phone/computer before writing bad tickets!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim in SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim in SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - the problem is legal IMHO.  I would own one already but they have deemed fit to classify an electric bike going 20mph or less under full power even with pedal assist at the same time as a motor vehicle, barring it from bike paths where a fit road bike user would go as fast or faster.  

I could commute in safety on a bike path near my home but riding my regular bike I get too sweaty, etc., and the powers that be would apparently rather put me in a car smogging up the air than risk me going the same speed as a road bike already goes on the same path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; the problem is legal IMHO.  I would own one already but they have deemed fit to classify an electric bike going 20mph or less under full power even with pedal assist at the same time as a motor vehicle, barring it from bike paths where a fit road bike user would go as fast or faster.  </p>
<p>I could commute in safety on a bike path near my home but riding my regular bike I get too sweaty, etc., and the powers that be would apparently rather put me in a car smogging up the air than risk me going the same speed as a road bike already goes on the same path.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in New Jersey they classify electric bikes as Mopeds requiring registration and insurance.  Not as a bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in New Jersey they classify electric bikes as Mopeds requiring registration and insurance.  Not as a bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hardingham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/ideas/2012/04/will-america-ever-love-electric-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hardingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 01:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the flat out single issue here is it most areas in the USA there simply nowhere to ride as we have roads that are from 25-70 here and bike paths and lanes they would work in but banned from 
till that changes sales will not boom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the flat out single issue here is it most areas in the USA there simply nowhere to ride as we have roads that are from 25-70 here and bike paths and lanes they would work in but banned from<br />
till that changes sales will not boom</p>
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		<title>By: LEH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/ideas/2012/04/will-america-ever-love-electric-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>LEH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets tiresome reading these kinds of articles lumping e-bikes with cheap Chinese scooters; the two could not be more different. From what I&#039;ve seen most Chinese are riding e-scooters/mopeds, NOT electric bikes. Go on eBay and you&#039;ll find tons of these faux &quot;e-bikes&quot; for a song. They are simply a feeble attempt to duck motorcycle licensing and registration laws, which is why the cops hate them and why you become a police magnet if you drive one on public roads without plates. Merely sticking a (fairly non-functional) set of pedals on these poseurs doesn&#039;t make them any less of a motor scooter, and the authorities are hip to it. In China they&#039;re becoming both a safety and environmental scourge--read fast careless riders injuring pedestrians and tons of lead acid batteries being dumped every year. Some cities in China have even banned them from certain overcrowded streets.

Real e-bikes in the US, on the other hand, are a small but growing niche, primarily for hobbyists and eco-minded commuters. Yes, a decent e-bike with 25-30 mile range costs in the $3K+ range with lithium battery packs. I&#039;m not sure why this is considered outrageous by some when many high-end non-electric road bikes cost that much or more. I&#039;ve ridden e-bikes as a recreational hobby (and for the exercise) since 1990 and participate in several online forums dedicated to these great machines, which have come a long way from even just six years ago. Most of my fellow e-bikers are very eco-minded and a fair number use their bikes for commuting. Something to be said for zero emissions combined with fresh air and exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets tiresome reading these kinds of articles lumping e-bikes with cheap Chinese scooters; the two could not be more different. From what I&#8217;ve seen most Chinese are riding e-scooters/mopeds, NOT electric bikes. Go on eBay and you&#8217;ll find tons of these faux &#8220;e-bikes&#8221; for a song. They are simply a feeble attempt to duck motorcycle licensing and registration laws, which is why the cops hate them and why you become a police magnet if you drive one on public roads without plates. Merely sticking a (fairly non-functional) set of pedals on these poseurs doesn&#8217;t make them any less of a motor scooter, and the authorities are hip to it. In China they&#8217;re becoming both a safety and environmental scourge&#8211;read fast careless riders injuring pedestrians and tons of lead acid batteries being dumped every year. Some cities in China have even banned them from certain overcrowded streets.</p>
<p>Real e-bikes in the US, on the other hand, are a small but growing niche, primarily for hobbyists and eco-minded commuters. Yes, a decent e-bike with 25-30 mile range costs in the $3K+ range with lithium battery packs. I&#8217;m not sure why this is considered outrageous by some when many high-end non-electric road bikes cost that much or more. I&#8217;ve ridden e-bikes as a recreational hobby (and for the exercise) since 1990 and participate in several online forums dedicated to these great machines, which have come a long way from even just six years ago. Most of my fellow e-bikers are very eco-minded and a fair number use their bikes for commuting. Something to be said for zero emissions combined with fresh air and exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If e-bikes are illegal in NYC, why do they ticket and fine only the people who use them and not shut down the shops that sell them?  You can find these stores all over the city, operating in legitimate storefronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If e-bikes are illegal in NYC, why do they ticket and fine only the people who use them and not shut down the shops that sell them?  You can find these stores all over the city, operating in legitimate storefronts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 02:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where to start.

“Okay, there is the price. A good electric bike can start at $1,000,”

Actually an e-bike drive conversion starts at $2,000 for a direct drive you’d want to ride (bionx, E+, etc). 

“people most likely to use electric bikes in the U.S. don’t much like them.” 

I have an electric bike. It has a 100 watt motor, geared drive, goes 12mph on the flat, a &lt;10 mile range, weighs 100 pounds, has lead acid batteries, and sounds like a blender. I ride almost daily, but never the e-bike. Many of the cheap e-bikes imported over the last 10 years are responsible for the bad karma.

“Most of the people in the U.S. either aren’t familiar with electric bikes or have misconceptions about them, confusing them with scooters, motorcycles and everything in between.”

This goes both ways between riders and other drivers. Pedestrians, police, motorists, and other bicyclists see a “bike” and calibrate for a speed ~12mph. At 20 mph you are too fast for the bike path, too slow for the street. You occupy a no mans land of speed. 

Your insurance company doesn’t know what to do about you.

There is a rash of gas powered bicycle conversions spawned by the high price of gas. They are illegal, so you automatically attract police attention if you are not pedaling. You need to memorize or carry a copy of the following vehicle codes unless you want to help the officer look them up at the station. 

In California, e-bikes cannot be capable of speeds in excess of 20 mph unassisted; 

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm

An e-bike capable of more than 20 mph, but not more than 30mph, needs to be licensed by the DMV;

http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg230.pdf

My new BionX is due in two weeks. But, unless you want to wrestle with the schizophrenic e-bike identity, probably better to stay on your Trek, the sidewalk, or in your Corolla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where to start.</p>
<p>“Okay, there is the price. A good electric bike can start at $1,000,”</p>
<p>Actually an e-bike drive conversion starts at $2,000 for a direct drive you’d want to ride (bionx, E+, etc). </p>
<p>“people most likely to use electric bikes in the U.S. don’t much like them.” </p>
<p>I have an electric bike. It has a 100 watt motor, geared drive, goes 12mph on the flat, a &lt;10 mile range, weighs 100 pounds, has lead acid batteries, and sounds like a blender. I ride almost daily, but never the e-bike. Many of the cheap e-bikes imported over the last 10 years are responsible for the bad karma.</p>
<p>“Most of the people in the U.S. either aren’t familiar with electric bikes or have misconceptions about them, confusing them with scooters, motorcycles and everything in between.”</p>
<p>This goes both ways between riders and other drivers. Pedestrians, police, motorists, and other bicyclists see a “bike” and calibrate for a speed ~12mph. At 20 mph you are too fast for the bike path, too slow for the street. You occupy a no mans land of speed. </p>
<p>Your insurance company doesn’t know what to do about you.</p>
<p>There is a rash of gas powered bicycle conversions spawned by the high price of gas. They are illegal, so you automatically attract police attention if you are not pedaling. You need to memorize or carry a copy of the following vehicle codes unless you want to help the officer look them up at the station. </p>
<p>In California, e-bikes cannot be capable of speeds in excess of 20 mph unassisted; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm</a></p>
<p>An e-bike capable of more than 20 mph, but not more than 30mph, needs to be licensed by the DMV;</p>
<p><a href="http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg230.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg230.pdf</a></p>
<p>My new BionX is due in two weeks. But, unless you want to wrestle with the schizophrenic e-bike identity, probably better to stay on your Trek, the sidewalk, or in your Corolla.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Rieland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Rieland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 10:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake--Here&#039;s some feedback from Boris Mordkovich, the e-bike entrepreneur mentioned in the post:  

&quot;Even though China is blowing the U.S. and Europe out of the water as far as volume is concerned, economies of scale are not the main reason why bikes there are cheaper. Electric bikes in China cost as little as $400 (although one can find e-bikes at this price level in the U.S. too). The main reason for that has to do with the fact that for virtually any goods produced in China, there are 2 markets: domestic and overseas. For domestic markets, cost is the single most important factor. No      matter how low quality the goods are, if the price is right, it will sell. Overseas markets, on the other hand, have much higher demands and standards. The products sold in the Chinese market wouldn&#039;t pass the muster here. So the price is generally higher.

Now, the reason why they can do bikes cheaper there has mainly to do with the choice of batteries and other components. The cheap electric bikes use SLA batteries (sealed lead acid).  Their advantage is that they are cheap. Their disadvantages is that they are heavy (3-4x heavier than more expensive, lithium ones), they have a much shorter range (~10 miles), they don&#039;t last as long (after a year, you have to replace it), and they require a lot of ongoing maintenance (for example, you have to recharge them right after using them or they will lose capacity).

Batteries aside, cheaper electric bikes also end up cutting corners on regular bike components (breaks, suspension, frame weight, etc.). Just like you can go to Walmart and buy a $150 bike that is designed to last a few months, the cheap lectric bikes are going to be of the same quality. More expensive bikes use Lithium (Ion, Polymer, etc.) batteries and higher end components. Lithium batteries are more expensive -and significantly at that. But they are also lightweight (6-8 pounds), offer a great range (up to 40 miles on a single charge), and have a longer life span (3+ years).

For $1,000, it&#039;s difficult to get a good electric bike. You can certainly buy one for $1,000 - but due to the technology costs, it certainly won&#039;t be top-notch. The main issue is that a cheap bike will have a short range. There is no way around it, unfortunately. Most of the better ones will cost between $1,800 to $2,500, but they have a 30 to 40 mile range. I can name a few: Pedego - from $1,895, A2B Metro - from $2,695 ... and, although I am biased as I am one of the co-owners of this company, EVELO (www.evelo.com) - from $1,795.

As far as speed is concerned - there is a Federal consumer law that limits electric bikes to a maximum speed of up to 20 miles per hour in electric-only mode. You can pedal it faster if you wish, but the motor won&#039;t provide assistance at over 20 miles.This is important because this limit allows electric bicycles tobe classified as bicycles, which means: no insurance, license and registration requires and they are generally allowed on bike paths and trails&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake&#8211;Here&#8217;s some feedback from Boris Mordkovich, the e-bike entrepreneur mentioned in the post:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Even though China is blowing the U.S. and Europe out of the water as far as volume is concerned, economies of scale are not the main reason why bikes there are cheaper. Electric bikes in China cost as little as $400 (although one can find e-bikes at this price level in the U.S. too). The main reason for that has to do with the fact that for virtually any goods produced in China, there are 2 markets: domestic and overseas. For domestic markets, cost is the single most important factor. No      matter how low quality the goods are, if the price is right, it will sell. Overseas markets, on the other hand, have much higher demands and standards. The products sold in the Chinese market wouldn&#8217;t pass the muster here. So the price is generally higher.</p>
<p>Now, the reason why they can do bikes cheaper there has mainly to do with the choice of batteries and other components. The cheap electric bikes use SLA batteries (sealed lead acid).  Their advantage is that they are cheap. Their disadvantages is that they are heavy (3-4x heavier than more expensive, lithium ones), they have a much shorter range (~10 miles), they don&#8217;t last as long (after a year, you have to replace it), and they require a lot of ongoing maintenance (for example, you have to recharge them right after using them or they will lose capacity).</p>
<p>Batteries aside, cheaper electric bikes also end up cutting corners on regular bike components (breaks, suspension, frame weight, etc.). Just like you can go to Walmart and buy a $150 bike that is designed to last a few months, the cheap lectric bikes are going to be of the same quality. More expensive bikes use Lithium (Ion, Polymer, etc.) batteries and higher end components. Lithium batteries are more expensive -and significantly at that. But they are also lightweight (6-8 pounds), offer a great range (up to 40 miles on a single charge), and have a longer life span (3+ years).</p>
<p>For $1,000, it&#8217;s difficult to get a good electric bike. You can certainly buy one for $1,000 &#8211; but due to the technology costs, it certainly won&#8217;t be top-notch. The main issue is that a cheap bike will have a short range. There is no way around it, unfortunately. Most of the better ones will cost between $1,800 to $2,500, but they have a 30 to 40 mile range. I can name a few: Pedego &#8211; from $1,895, A2B Metro &#8211; from $2,695 &#8230; and, although I am biased as I am one of the co-owners of this company, EVELO (www.evelo.com) &#8211; from $1,795.</p>
<p>As far as speed is concerned &#8211; there is a Federal consumer law that limits electric bikes to a maximum speed of up to 20 miles per hour in electric-only mode. You can pedal it faster if you wish, but the motor won&#8217;t provide assistance at over 20 miles.This is important because this limit allows electric bicycles tobe classified as bicycles, which means: no insurance, license and registration requires and they are generally allowed on bike paths and trails&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Lankester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Lankester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 07:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few subtleties not mentioned in this article such as the distinction between pedelecs and e-bikes.  The former require the pedals to be turned for electric motor assistance to engage and on this basis they are classed, right across the EU, as non-motorised and can be used in bike lanes etc.  EU class homogenisation also restricts e-assist to 15 mph and 200w continuous power so a clear distinction is made between these unlicensed vehicles and twist-and-go electric bikes and mopeds which require licensing, insurance and are not allowed on bike paths / lanes.

This clear legal distinction, across 27 countries, provides a transparent framework for European marketing, sales and public acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few subtleties not mentioned in this article such as the distinction between pedelecs and e-bikes.  The former require the pedals to be turned for electric motor assistance to engage and on this basis they are classed, right across the EU, as non-motorised and can be used in bike lanes etc.  EU class homogenisation also restricts e-assist to 15 mph and 200w continuous power so a clear distinction is made between these unlicensed vehicles and twist-and-go electric bikes and mopeds which require licensing, insurance and are not allowed on bike paths / lanes.</p>
<p>This clear legal distinction, across 27 countries, provides a transparent framework for European marketing, sales and public acceptance.</p>
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