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	<title>Comments on: Electric Cars Won&#8217;t Save Us from Climate Change</title>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7963</link>
		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because there is no exhaust does not, in anyway, mean that electric cars are more &quot;eco-friendly&quot;. 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/05/study-green-cars-might-cause-as-much-or-more-pollution-than-gas-cars/

http://blog.wegowise.com/blog2/bid/129808/Your-Car-s-Carbon-Footprint-Hybrid-vs-Gasoline-vs-Electric-Cars

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/auto-blog/electric-vehicles-pollute-more-than-gas-or-diesel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because there is no exhaust does not, in anyway, mean that electric cars are more &#8220;eco-friendly&#8221;. </p>
<p><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/05/study-green-cars-might-cause-as-much-or-more-pollution-than-gas-cars/" rel="nofollow">http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/05/study-green-cars-might-cause-as-much-or-more-pollution-than-gas-cars/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.wegowise.com/blog2/bid/129808/Your-Car-s-Carbon-Footprint-Hybrid-vs-Gasoline-vs-Electric-Cars" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wegowise.com/blog2/bid/129808/Your-Car-s-Carbon-Footprint-Hybrid-vs-Gasoline-vs-Electric-Cars</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/auto-blog/electric-vehicles-pollute-more-than-gas-or-diesel" rel="nofollow">http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/auto-blog/electric-vehicles-pollute-more-than-gas-or-diesel</a></p>
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		<title>By: magnetic generator</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-5450</link>
		<dc:creator>magnetic generator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the car manufacturers does not estimate correctly and EV car sales is going to take over gas-car sales in less than 5 years. The problem they will face is inability to supply the demand - and that would be a shame...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the car manufacturers does not estimate correctly and EV car sales is going to take over gas-car sales in less than 5 years. The problem they will face is inability to supply the demand &#8211; and that would be a shame&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Power Profiler is pretty useless.  The info it uses is from 2005...
And it lists only my direct supplier, CL+P CT Light and Power AKA CT Loot and Plunder, but most of my power actually comes from Sterling Planet windpower.
This option and the dozens of others available didn&#039;t exist 5 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Power Profiler is pretty useless.  The info it uses is from 2005&#8230;<br />
And it lists only my direct supplier, CL+P CT Light and Power AKA CT Loot and Plunder, but most of my power actually comes from Sterling Planet windpower.<br />
This option and the dozens of others available didn&#8217;t exist 5 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Rightmyer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2268</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Rightmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 00:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah&#039;s article if fair but overly simplistic.

First, the world (mostly USA, China, and India) sustain their economies using Coal.  While we may reduce CO2 emissions using underground sequestering, it is highly unlikely that mankind will quit using coal in the short term (next 100 years for instance).  We will however improve the efficiency of power distribution using future smart-grid control and perhaps using high power DC power transmission through supercooled conduits.  We will not, I bet, get off coal for power generation any time soon.  So, we should at least try and make the power generation and distribution systems  as efficient as possible.  As noted in earlier comments, charging up commuter cars at night is one great way to do that.

Second, electric vehicle operating efficiency is typically in excess of 85% (measured in terms of using the power coming from the charging outlet).  Modern power utilities deliver electric to homes at about 40% efficiency.  So, the effective efficiency of a typical EV is on the order of 34%.  This represents an approximate doubling of the operating efficiency of typical gasoline powered commuter vehicles.

Thirdly, as demand for electric based transportation increases, the supply side will (is) fund development of massive solar generating facilities in the southwest.  True, there will be considerable pain building new supporting distribution systems, but as oil becomes increasingly scarce, the not-in-my-back-yard folks will become less reluctant (especially if the distribution system is constructed with underground tunnels, as has been proposed).

Lastly, the global warming problem is already in play. Existing levels of CO2 and MH4 will remain in the troposphere for decades even if we quit emitting cold turkey. Arctic ice is melting rapidly, the permafrost is warming (thus releasing methane), and the root cause of this warming (the 100,000 year Milankovitch solar cycle) has not changed.  Not my generation, I think, but certainly the next generation will have to perform some geophical modifications that will temporarily cool the earth until the Milankovitch cycles starts down its inevitable slope towards the next ice age. Several really good ideas have been proposed on how to realize the remedy. (See for instance, Super Freakonomics by Levitt &amp; Dubner.

I&#039;m soon going to be a proud owner of a new EV and it will be powered by my newly installed residential PV system.

Charles Rightmyer, San Diego, California</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah&#8217;s article if fair but overly simplistic.</p>
<p>First, the world (mostly USA, China, and India) sustain their economies using Coal.  While we may reduce CO2 emissions using underground sequestering, it is highly unlikely that mankind will quit using coal in the short term (next 100 years for instance).  We will however improve the efficiency of power distribution using future smart-grid control and perhaps using high power DC power transmission through supercooled conduits.  We will not, I bet, get off coal for power generation any time soon.  So, we should at least try and make the power generation and distribution systems  as efficient as possible.  As noted in earlier comments, charging up commuter cars at night is one great way to do that.</p>
<p>Second, electric vehicle operating efficiency is typically in excess of 85% (measured in terms of using the power coming from the charging outlet).  Modern power utilities deliver electric to homes at about 40% efficiency.  So, the effective efficiency of a typical EV is on the order of 34%.  This represents an approximate doubling of the operating efficiency of typical gasoline powered commuter vehicles.</p>
<p>Thirdly, as demand for electric based transportation increases, the supply side will (is) fund development of massive solar generating facilities in the southwest.  True, there will be considerable pain building new supporting distribution systems, but as oil becomes increasingly scarce, the not-in-my-back-yard folks will become less reluctant (especially if the distribution system is constructed with underground tunnels, as has been proposed).</p>
<p>Lastly, the global warming problem is already in play. Existing levels of CO2 and MH4 will remain in the troposphere for decades even if we quit emitting cold turkey. Arctic ice is melting rapidly, the permafrost is warming (thus releasing methane), and the root cause of this warming (the 100,000 year Milankovitch solar cycle) has not changed.  Not my generation, I think, but certainly the next generation will have to perform some geophical modifications that will temporarily cool the earth until the Milankovitch cycles starts down its inevitable slope towards the next ice age. Several really good ideas have been proposed on how to realize the remedy. (See for instance, Super Freakonomics by Levitt &#038; Dubner.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m soon going to be a proud owner of a new EV and it will be powered by my newly installed residential PV system.</p>
<p>Charles Rightmyer, San Diego, California</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2230</link>
		<dc:creator>WilliamB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not clear to me whether ze thinks electric cars are less polluting than petrol-powered ones.  They are - even (most) coal-fired power plants are cleaner than a gasoline engine.  Further, the car can be powered at night when power plants have &quot;excess&quot; capacity.  Generally speaking a power plant is most efficient when it&#039;s run at the same power levels all the time rather than having to generate more power at one time and less at another (how true this is varies by power source, btw).  So an electric car is better for the environment than a petrol one for two reasons: one, fewer emissions and two, more efficient power plants.

As the author says, though, it&#039;s even better if the plant is powered by something other than fossil fuels.  I wonder how ze feels about nuclear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not clear to me whether ze thinks electric cars are less polluting than petrol-powered ones.  They are &#8211; even (most) coal-fired power plants are cleaner than a gasoline engine.  Further, the car can be powered at night when power plants have &#8220;excess&#8221; capacity.  Generally speaking a power plant is most efficient when it&#8217;s run at the same power levels all the time rather than having to generate more power at one time and less at another (how true this is varies by power source, btw).  So an electric car is better for the environment than a petrol one for two reasons: one, fewer emissions and two, more efficient power plants.</p>
<p>As the author says, though, it&#8217;s even better if the plant is powered by something other than fossil fuels.  I wonder how ze feels about nuclear?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2226</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author makes the common mistake of assuming because there is pollution in the generation of electricity that the EV is then on par with the pollution from a gas car. Not true! Many studies have looked at the well-to-wheel pollution from both technologies and there is 100% agreement that an EV charged from the national grid (which, btw, is now down to 45% coal) is twice as clean as a Prius. Se: http://www.pluginamerica.org/learn-about-plug-ins/frequently-asked-questions.html#Q2

Of course anyone concerned about pollution from a coal plant shouldn&#039;t be running their house on that dirty energy. Most Americans waste more kilowatt hours in their homes than they would use in an EV. Getting serious about efficiency is what&#039;s needed. You could easily reduce your household&#039;s consumption of kWh and use those to power your car.

Lastly, if you have a good roof for solar, you should consider installing a PV system. I did 8 years ago and bought my EV about the same time. The system cost me about $15K out of pocket and generates virtually all the energy I need for both the house and the car. My electric bill averages about $100 per year. I haven&#039;t been to a gas station since 2002 and I&#039;ve driven over 84,000 miles... all on sunshine!

The EV is going to take over car sales in the coming years. It&#039;ll take some time to get the volumes up, but it&#039;ll happen. The technology is vastly superior to gas burners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author makes the common mistake of assuming because there is pollution in the generation of electricity that the EV is then on par with the pollution from a gas car. Not true! Many studies have looked at the well-to-wheel pollution from both technologies and there is 100% agreement that an EV charged from the national grid (which, btw, is now down to 45% coal) is twice as clean as a Prius. Se: <a href="http://www.pluginamerica.org/learn-about-plug-ins/frequently-asked-questions.html#Q2" rel="nofollow">http://www.pluginamerica.org/learn-about-plug-ins/frequently-asked-questions.html#Q2</a></p>
<p>Of course anyone concerned about pollution from a coal plant shouldn&#8217;t be running their house on that dirty energy. Most Americans waste more kilowatt hours in their homes than they would use in an EV. Getting serious about efficiency is what&#8217;s needed. You could easily reduce your household&#8217;s consumption of kWh and use those to power your car.</p>
<p>Lastly, if you have a good roof for solar, you should consider installing a PV system. I did 8 years ago and bought my EV about the same time. The system cost me about $15K out of pocket and generates virtually all the energy I need for both the house and the car. My electric bill averages about $100 per year. I haven&#8217;t been to a gas station since 2002 and I&#8217;ve driven over 84,000 miles&#8230; all on sunshine!</p>
<p>The EV is going to take over car sales in the coming years. It&#8217;ll take some time to get the volumes up, but it&#8217;ll happen. The technology is vastly superior to gas burners.</p>
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		<title>By: Car Finders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2010/07/electric-cars-wont-save-us-from-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>Car Finders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am always a FAN of Electric Cars and I support any activities and other concerns when regarding to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always a FAN of Electric Cars and I support any activities and other concerns when regarding to it.</p>
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