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		<title>By: Dan Pangburn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7977</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Pangburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paraphrasing Richard Feynman: Regardless of how many experts believe it or how many organizations concur, if it doesn’t agree with observation, it’s wrong.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), some politicians and many others stubbornly continue to proclaim that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide was the primary cause of global warming. 

Measurements demonstrate that they are wrong.

The atmospheric carbon dioxide level has now increased since 2001 by 23.2 ppmv (an amount equal to 25.9% of the increase that took place from 1800 to 2001) (1800, 281.6 ppmv; 2001, 371.13 ppmv; October, 2012, 394.32 ppmv).

The average global temperature trend since 2001 is flat. 

That is the observation. No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by a CO2 increase of 89.5 ppmv but that 23.2 ppmv additional CO2 increase had no effect on the average global temperature trend after 2001. 

Without human caused global warming there can be no human caused climate change.

Analyses that can be reached at the link (highlighted in red) given at http://www.switched.com/profile/2996642/  include an equation based on rational physics that, without considering any influence from CO2 whatsoever and using only one independent variable, has calculated average global temperatures since they have been accurately measured world wide (about 1895) with an accuracy of 88% (R2 = 0.88, correlation coefficient = 0.938). Including the influence of CO2 (a second independent variable) increased the accuracy to 88.5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paraphrasing Richard Feynman: Regardless of how many experts believe it or how many organizations concur, if it doesn’t agree with observation, it’s wrong.</p>
<p>The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), some politicians and many others stubbornly continue to proclaim that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide was the primary cause of global warming. </p>
<p>Measurements demonstrate that they are wrong.</p>
<p>The atmospheric carbon dioxide level has now increased since 2001 by 23.2 ppmv (an amount equal to 25.9% of the increase that took place from 1800 to 2001) (1800, 281.6 ppmv; 2001, 371.13 ppmv; October, 2012, 394.32 ppmv).</p>
<p>The average global temperature trend since 2001 is flat. </p>
<p>That is the observation. No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by a CO2 increase of 89.5 ppmv but that 23.2 ppmv additional CO2 increase had no effect on the average global temperature trend after 2001. </p>
<p>Without human caused global warming there can be no human caused climate change.</p>
<p>Analyses that can be reached at the link (highlighted in red) given at <a href="http://www.switched.com/profile/2996642/" rel="nofollow">http://www.switched.com/profile/2996642/</a>  include an equation based on rational physics that, without considering any influence from CO2 whatsoever and using only one independent variable, has calculated average global temperatures since they have been accurately measured world wide (about 1895) with an accuracy of 88% (R2 = 0.88, correlation coefficient = 0.938). Including the influence of CO2 (a second independent variable) increased the accuracy to 88.5%.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Pangburn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Pangburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one equation. There is only one independent variable, the sunspot number (two if atmospheric CO2 is included). As used in the time-integral of sunspot numbers, appropriately reduced by the energy being radiated from the planet, it works as a proxy for energy retained by the planet. 

This equation calculates temperatures since they have been accurately measured world wide (about 1895) with an accuracy of over 88%. Including the influence of atmospheric CO2 increases the accuracy another 0.5%. The resulting calculated temperature trajectory includes the flat temperature trend since 2001 that has confounded many Climate Scientists.

You can learn more from my papers at the Climate Realists web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one equation. There is only one independent variable, the sunspot number (two if atmospheric CO2 is included). As used in the time-integral of sunspot numbers, appropriately reduced by the energy being radiated from the planet, it works as a proxy for energy retained by the planet. </p>
<p>This equation calculates temperatures since they have been accurately measured world wide (about 1895) with an accuracy of over 88%. Including the influence of atmospheric CO2 increases the accuracy another 0.5%. The resulting calculated temperature trajectory includes the flat temperature trend since 2001 that has confounded many Climate Scientists.</p>
<p>You can learn more from my papers at the Climate Realists web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Aryeh Frankfurter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7510</link>
		<dc:creator>Aryeh Frankfurter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, your &quot;equations&quot; have never been peer reviewed by a relevant scientific community of climatologists. They have been merely &quot;published&quot; for public consumption on your website Others who are about as qualified as you are have taken the time to show that your equations are deeply flawed: 

(e.g.) http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/dan-pangburn/ 

I can appreciate a well informed, erudite views and opinions shared on these comment pages, but to have the pretense to be qualified in an area where you have no experise and make the claims you do is rather absurd and I might say reckless. 

When you get your degree in climatology, or have your equations and papers published in a peer reviewed journal, I&#039;ll pay attention to what you have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, your &#8220;equations&#8221; have never been peer reviewed by a relevant scientific community of climatologists. They have been merely &#8220;published&#8221; for public consumption on your website Others who are about as qualified as you are have taken the time to show that your equations are deeply flawed: </p>
<p>(e.g.) <a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/dan-pangburn/" rel="nofollow">http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/dan-pangburn/</a> </p>
<p>I can appreciate a well informed, erudite views and opinions shared on these comment pages, but to have the pretense to be qualified in an area where you have no experise and make the claims you do is rather absurd and I might say reckless. </p>
<p>When you get your degree in climatology, or have your equations and papers published in a peer reviewed journal, I&#8217;ll pay attention to what you have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Aryeh Frankfurter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7508</link>
		<dc:creator>Aryeh Frankfurter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, You are a mechanical engineer so that makes you a qualified expert in the field of climatology? I am wondering if you might also feel qualified to perform open heart surgery as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, You are a mechanical engineer so that makes you a qualified expert in the field of climatology? I am wondering if you might also feel qualified to perform open heart surgery as well?</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7432</link>
		<dc:creator>jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fastest mitigation to climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. About 1/2 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 and takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act!

&quot;As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease.&quot; Worldwatch Institute, &quot;Is Meat Sustainable?&quot;

&quot;The livestock sector emerges as one of the top contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. The findings of this report suggest that it should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity. Livestock’s contribution to environmental problems is on a massive scale and its potential contribution to their solution is equally large. The impact is so significant that it needs to be addressed with urgency.&quot; UN Food and Agricultural Organization&#039;s report &quot;Livestock&#039;s Long Shadow&quot;

“If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund

Why would someone choose to be vegan? To slow global warming for one! Here are two uplifting videos to help everyone understand why so many people are making this life affirming choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKr4HZ7ukSE and http://www.veganvideo.org

&quot;Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.&quot; ~ Albert Einstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fastest mitigation to climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. About 1/2 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 and takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act!</p>
<p>&#8220;As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease.&#8221; Worldwatch Institute, &#8220;Is Meat Sustainable?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The livestock sector emerges as one of the top contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. The findings of this report suggest that it should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity. Livestock’s contribution to environmental problems is on a massive scale and its potential contribution to their solution is equally large. The impact is so significant that it needs to be addressed with urgency.&#8221; UN Food and Agricultural Organization&#8217;s report &#8220;Livestock&#8217;s Long Shadow&#8221;</p>
<p>“If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains&#8230; the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund</p>
<p>Why would someone choose to be vegan? To slow global warming for one! Here are two uplifting videos to help everyone understand why so many people are making this life affirming choice: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKr4HZ7ukSE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKr4HZ7ukSE</a> and <a href="http://www.veganvideo.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.veganvideo.org</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.&#8221; ~ Albert Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Pangburn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7431</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Pangburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blind,

Dr. Hansen is a devout Warmer who appears to be blind to anything that disagrees with his perception. He is in charge of what NASA says about weather and climate. All reports from NASA must be viewed in that light. Their temperature data, however, appear to be consistent with the other reporting agencies.

The measurements demonstrate that those Climate Scientists who believe that Global Warming was caused primarily by the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide are wrong.

I am unfunded.

You appear to have missed the point. CO2 up over 25% with no noticeable influence on the temperature trend. 

Anyone who actually understands the type of program that is used in the computer climate models is aware that they are actually weather models and their predicting ability fades to worthless computational noise in only a few days. It is woefully naïve to believe that all that is needed to turn a global weather model into a global climate model is to run it longer.

I developed an equation using the first law of thermodynamics (as a Mechanical Engineer I know how to do that) that calculates average global temperatures, for all of the years since accurate measurements world wide have been made (about 1895), with an accuracy of 88%. This includes and thus corroborates the flat trend since 2001. The equation does this using only one readily available, naturally occurring set of measurements, the sunspot numbers, as a proxy for energy retained by the planet. Including the influence of CO2 only increased the accuracy by 0.5%. The equation along with some of the rest of my stuff  is made public at the ClimateResearch website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blind,</p>
<p>Dr. Hansen is a devout Warmer who appears to be blind to anything that disagrees with his perception. He is in charge of what NASA says about weather and climate. All reports from NASA must be viewed in that light. Their temperature data, however, appear to be consistent with the other reporting agencies.</p>
<p>The measurements demonstrate that those Climate Scientists who believe that Global Warming was caused primarily by the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide are wrong.</p>
<p>I am unfunded.</p>
<p>You appear to have missed the point. CO2 up over 25% with no noticeable influence on the temperature trend. </p>
<p>Anyone who actually understands the type of program that is used in the computer climate models is aware that they are actually weather models and their predicting ability fades to worthless computational noise in only a few days. It is woefully naïve to believe that all that is needed to turn a global weather model into a global climate model is to run it longer.</p>
<p>I developed an equation using the first law of thermodynamics (as a Mechanical Engineer I know how to do that) that calculates average global temperatures, for all of the years since accurate measurements world wide have been made (about 1895), with an accuracy of 88%. This includes and thus corroborates the flat trend since 2001. The equation does this using only one readily available, naturally occurring set of measurements, the sunspot numbers, as a proxy for energy retained by the planet. Including the influence of CO2 only increased the accuracy by 0.5%. The equation along with some of the rest of my stuff  is made public at the ClimateResearch website.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7429</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Dan.  Great overview of the &quot;truth!&quot; NASA needs to churn out the reports to sustain their grants.  There is no alarm.  The politicians have hijacked the science and in return reward the scientists who put the word &quot;climate&quot; in the title of their grant.  Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Dan.  Great overview of the &#8220;truth!&#8221; NASA needs to churn out the reports to sustain their grants.  There is no alarm.  The politicians have hijacked the science and in return reward the scientists who put the word &#8220;climate&#8221; in the title of their grant.  Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: person</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7422</link>
		<dc:creator>person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 03:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little concerning that Aurora Flight Sciences builds aircraft (obvious from a glance at their website) and that their research with two eminent universities favors a new-aircraft solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little concerning that Aurora Flight Sciences builds aircraft (obvious from a glance at their website) and that their research with two eminent universities favors a new-aircraft solution.</p>
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		<title>By: blindboy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7421</link>
		<dc:creator>blindboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm Dan,
          So NASA cannot even interpret its own data and all those professonal climatologists are wrong.  What&#039;s your job?  The immediate suspicion when spurious material of this ilk appears on a science site is that the poster is some sort of stooge for the fossil fuel industry.  So Dan, what do you do?  Are you being paid?  Why should we believe a rough analysis with 11 data points against the mass of data in the computer climate models?  Because (a) you are very clever (b) climate scientists are very stupid (c) there&#039;s a global conspiracy involving tens of thousands of scientists (d) none of the above.  Voting below please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm Dan,<br />
          So NASA cannot even interpret its own data and all those professonal climatologists are wrong.  What&#8217;s your job?  The immediate suspicion when spurious material of this ilk appears on a science site is that the poster is some sort of stooge for the fossil fuel industry.  So Dan, what do you do?  Are you being paid?  Why should we believe a rough analysis with 11 data points against the mass of data in the computer climate models?  Because (a) you are very clever (b) climate scientists are very stupid (c) there&#8217;s a global conspiracy involving tens of thousands of scientists (d) none of the above.  Voting below please.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Pangburn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7412</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Pangburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ice can melt because the surrounding water is warmer than it was when the water froze. The planet has warmed a lot since the last glaciation and has been warming more or less regularly since the depths of the LIA until about 2001. The observation that arctic ice is melting is evidence that warmer water got to the arctic ocean but does not necessarily mean that the planet is still warming.

Paraphrasing Richard Feynman: Regardless of how many experts believe it or how many organizations concur, if it doesn’t agree with observation, it’s wrong.

The IPCC and many others perceive that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide was the primary cause of global warming. Measurements demonstrate that they are wrong.

The average global temperature trend has been flat since 2001. No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by CO2 increase but that 25.2% additional CO2 increase had no effect on average global temperature after 2001. 

Without human caused global warming there can be no human caused climate change.

Average GLOBAL temperature anomalies are reported on the web by NOAA, GISS, Hadley, RSS and UAH. The first three all draw from the same data base of surface measurement data. The last two draw from the data base of satellite measurements. Each agency processes the data slightly differently from the others. Each believes that their way is most accurate. To avoid bias, I average all five. The averages are listed here. 

2001	0.3473
2002	0.4278
2003	0.4245
2004	0.3641
2005	0.4663
2006	0.3930
2007	0.4030
2008	0.2598
2009	0.4022
2010	0.5298
2011	0.3317

A straight line (trend line) fit to this data has no slope. That means that, for over a decade, average global temperature has not changed. If the average so far in 2012 is included, the slope is down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ice can melt because the surrounding water is warmer than it was when the water froze. The planet has warmed a lot since the last glaciation and has been warming more or less regularly since the depths of the LIA until about 2001. The observation that arctic ice is melting is evidence that warmer water got to the arctic ocean but does not necessarily mean that the planet is still warming.</p>
<p>Paraphrasing Richard Feynman: Regardless of how many experts believe it or how many organizations concur, if it doesn’t agree with observation, it’s wrong.</p>
<p>The IPCC and many others perceive that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide was the primary cause of global warming. Measurements demonstrate that they are wrong.</p>
<p>The average global temperature trend has been flat since 2001. No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by CO2 increase but that 25.2% additional CO2 increase had no effect on average global temperature after 2001. </p>
<p>Without human caused global warming there can be no human caused climate change.</p>
<p>Average GLOBAL temperature anomalies are reported on the web by NOAA, GISS, Hadley, RSS and UAH. The first three all draw from the same data base of surface measurement data. The last two draw from the data base of satellite measurements. Each agency processes the data slightly differently from the others. Each believes that their way is most accurate. To avoid bias, I average all five. The averages are listed here. </p>
<p>2001	0.3473<br />
2002	0.4278<br />
2003	0.4245<br />
2004	0.3641<br />
2005	0.4663<br />
2006	0.3930<br />
2007	0.4030<br />
2008	0.2598<br />
2009	0.4022<br />
2010	0.5298<br />
2011	0.3317</p>
<p>A straight line (trend line) fit to this data has no slope. That means that, for over a decade, average global temperature has not changed. If the average so far in 2012 is included, the slope is down.</p>
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		<title>By: Nenad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2012/08/is-geoengineering-the-answer-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-7410</link>
		<dc:creator>Nenad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo-engineering is not the answer. It is very naive, with possible consequences uncontrollable &quot;solution&quot;. The only solution which will in the same time solve global economic problem is momentary and massive economy switch from fossil to generally hydrogen based economy. 
How? Send me an question and I will sent you an answer. Solutions does exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo-engineering is not the answer. It is very naive, with possible consequences uncontrollable &#8220;solution&#8221;. The only solution which will in the same time solve global economic problem is momentary and massive economy switch from fossil to generally hydrogen based economy.<br />
How? Send me an question and I will sent you an answer. Solutions does exist.</p>
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